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    Re: Covid-19

    Originally posted by ZYanksRule View Post
    The only reason national counts are lower is that New York, the primary driver of the pandemic in this country, is getting lower. But it's rising in most other areas of the country, and the fact all these other states are now reopening, even though they have no scientific reason to, is going to cost us months of catastrophe in this country.
    The bolded is not correct. According to the New York Times:

    States where cases are increasing: 12
    States where cases are mostly the same: 26
    States where cases are decreasing: 15

    If the argument is that states are now lying about the numbers, I guess there’s not really any further discussion to be had. Hard to prove or disprove that.

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      Originally posted by The_Man_With_No_Plan View Post
      The bolded is not correct. According to the New York Times:

      States where cases are increasing: 12
      States where cases are mostly the same: 26
      States where cases are decreasing: 15

      If the argument is that states are now lying about the numbers, I guess there’s not really any further discussion to be had. Hard to prove or disprove that.
      Florida is demonstrably lying.
      History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
      - MTG

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        Re: Covid-19

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...c=nl_headlines

        When President Trump said in late March he didn’t think the economic devastation from stay-at-home orders was a good trade off for avoiding covid-19 deaths, tweeting, “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” economists across the country already were busy working on the exact kind of cost-benefit analysis implied by the president.

        They reached a very different conclusion from Trump.

        Economists at the University of Wyoming estimated the economic benefits from lives saved by efforts to “flatten the curve” outweighed the projected massive hit to the nation’s economy by a staggering $5.2 trillion. Another study by two University of Chicago economists estimated the savings from social distancing could be so huge, “it is difficult to think of any intervention with such large potential benefits to American citizens.”

        In other words, the economists are saying, “the cure” doesn’t come at a cost at all when factoring in the economic value of the lives saved.
        I can't speak to the veracity but it's certainly interesting.

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          Re: Covid-19

          Originally posted by The_Man_With_No_Plan View Post
          The bolded is not correct. According to the New York Times:

          States where cases are increasing: 12
          States where cases are mostly the same: 26
          States where cases are decreasing: 15

          If the argument is that states are now lying about the numbers, I guess there’s not really any further discussion to be had. Hard to prove or disprove that.
          Not as hard as you think

          Florida Health Department manager told to delete coronavirus data is ousted
          https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...r-emails-show/

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            Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
            Florida is demonstrably lying.
            Georgia’s pseudo apology for the graph that wasn’t a graph is just as bad.
            Texas has also had a spike, which pretty much covers the “hurry to re-open” states.

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              Re: Covid-19

              Originally posted by theDurk View Post
              Durk's Periodic Brazil COVID-19 Update:

              https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...s-near-350-000

              Trump bans travel from Brazil to US for foreigners as Brazil's COVID-19 numbers continue to skyrocket, taking over second place behind the US, and also expected to pass the 100K death mark before too long. Health systems all over the country are overwhelmed, with São Paulo in especially dire straits.

              In our own family drama, the case of nursing-home resident 92-year-old Tia Hilda, whose home has had 9 deaths in 45 residents, the state has lifted the closing order for her home as there was no place to send the residents who tested positive, which was virtually all of them. They took over administration and fired management. Tia Hilda tested positive (PCR) on May 5, and continues completely asymptomatic. She has Alzheimer's and fragile bones, but no comorbidities to COVID-19 and she never gets colds or flus. So she may have dodged the bullet. She's a tough old bird. The state has brought in experts and best practices and disinfected the premises. So now the best thing is to leave her there and hope she has developed immunity.
              It’s tragic what’s going on there. What are the current US international travel restrictions? I didn’t think you could fly back and forth to Brazil anyway.
              Let the kids play.

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                Re: Covid-19

                Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
                Georgia’s pseudo apology for the graph that wasn’t a graph is just as bad.
                Texas has also had a spike, which pretty much covers the “hurry to re-open” states.
                Hard to call it a “spike” when cases were rising even before they reopened. But Texas has leveled off and even begun slightly decreasing the last few days.

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                  Re: Covid-19

                  Originally posted by Bub View Post
                  It’s tragic what’s going on there. What are the current US international travel restrictions? I didn’t think you could fly back and forth to Brazil anyway.
                  Until this ban, Brazilians needed tourist visas to visit the US, good for up to ten years. US citizens had and still have no restrictions by either country. Flights are seriously cut back, but operating from Miami to São Paulo and Campinas and New York to São Paulo..
                  "Deep to left! Yastrzemski will not get it! It's a home run! A three-run homer by Bucky Dent! And the Yankees now lead by a score of 3-2!" - New York Yankees announcer Bill White (October 2, 1978)

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                    Re: Covid-19

                    Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
                    You can call it what it is. Florida and Georgia are lying.
                    Originally posted by YFIB View Post
                    Her resigning because the data's integrity is gone shows she has ethics. Her ringing the bell to alert the public to what they are doing makes her a hero, cuz rest assured this is or will be happening elsewhere.
                    “Nobody teaches life anything.” - Gabriel García Márquez

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                      Re: Covid-19

                      Ohio spiking two weeks after reopening.

                      https://www.dispatch.com/news/202005...-daily-average
                      History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
                      - MTG

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                        Re: Covid-19

                        Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
                        Ohio spiking two weeks after reopening.

                        https://www.dispatch.com/news/202005...-daily-average
                        To read this and say Ohio is “spiking” is remarkably inaccurate.

                        Ohio cases/deaths by day:
                        5/15: 597/47
                        5/16: 520/29
                        5/17: 449/15
                        5/18: 531/32
                        5/19: 498/63
                        5/20: 484/61
                        5/21: 731/55
                        5/22: 627/36
                        5/23: 614/84
                        5/24: 503/13

                        At worst, Ohio has been trending a tick upwards. NYT considers Ohio a state where cases are “mostly the same”.

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                          Re: Covid-19

                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...19-coronavirus

                          The racial wound at the center of the coronavirus pandemic in the US continues to fester, with latest data showing that African Americans have died from the disease at almost three times the rate of white people.

                          New figures compiled by the non-partisan APM Research Lab and released on Wednesday under the title Color of Coronavirus provide further evidence of the staggering divide in the Covid-19 death rate between black Americans and the rest of the nation.

                          Across the country, African Americans have died at a rate of 50.3 per 100,000 people, compared with 20.7 for whites, 22.9 for Latinos and 22.7 for Asian Americans.

                          More than 20,000 African Americans – about one in 2,000 of the entire black population in the US – have died from the disease.

                          At the level of individual states, the statistics are all the more shocking. Bottom of the league table in terms of racial disparities is Kansas, where black residents are dying at seven times the rate of whites.

                          “This is a call to action for our county commissioners, our state and our city officials,” the Kansas state representative Gail Finney told local TV channel KWCH12 recently.

                          In other states, the gulf is almost as extreme. In the nation’s capital, Washington, the disparity in death rate between blacks and whites is six times, in Michigan and Missouri five, and in major hotspots of the disease – New York, Illinois and Louisiana – three.

                          Qasim Rashid for Congress@QasimRashid

                          COVID19 is killing Black Americans at nearly 3X rate of Whites
                          The virus is not the great equalizer—it’s the great exposure of systemic injustice
                          .....

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                            Originally posted by The_Man_With_No_Plan View Post
                            To read this and say Ohio is “spiking” is remarkably inaccurate.

                            Ohio cases/deaths by day:
                            5/15: 597/47
                            5/16: 520/29
                            5/17: 449/15
                            5/18: 531/32
                            5/19: 498/63
                            5/20: 484/61
                            5/21: 731/55
                            5/22: 627/36
                            5/23: 614/84
                            5/24: 503/13

                            At worst, Ohio has been trending a tick upwards. NYT considers Ohio a state where cases are “mostly the same”.
                            The first four days you cite, they averaged 31 deaths a day. The six days after that, 52 deaths a day. Trending a tick upwards.
                            History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
                            - MTG

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                              Re: Covid-19

                              Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
                              The first four days you cite, they averaged 31 deaths a day. The six days after that, 52 deaths a day. Trending a tick upwards.
                              To say it's "spiking" is flat out false. Some more Ohio numbers for you:

                              5/5: 495/79
                              5/6: 607/90
                              5/7: 555/46
                              5/8: 885/35
                              5/9: 681/25
                              5/10: 384/10
                              5/11: 696/16
                              5/12: 473/79
                              5/13: 471/47
                              5/14: 636/51

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                                Re: Covid-19

                                Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
                                I wouldn’t care about his golfing if he did anything useful when he wasn’t golfing. As it stands, his golf weekend is just taking a break from watching TV news, tweeting conspiracy theories, sowing discontent, encouraging lawlessness, and congratulating himself for all the nothing he’s done. I guess it’s hard work and he needs a little golf to relax.
                                Meh, I think we're incredibly lucky as a country that the President with the most authoritarian tendencies (at least in my lifetime) is also the laziest.

                                I shudder to think about what would happen if he actually applied himself.
                                Stay "We" my friends

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