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    Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post

    Let's hope bail was substantial and will be forfeited if they don't show.
    Yes I know this at odds with my stance that cash bail system should be revpealed.
    I don’t think I have a problem with bail in the case of a genuine flight risk.
    History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
    - MTG

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      Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
      https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...ine-exemption/


      Interesting approach to Religious Exemption requests from an Arkansas Hospital System.

      Oh and the article didn't mention it but I read elewhere that Ivermectin and Remsvidir were also on the list, found that quite karmic.
      I’m pretty fierce about freedom of religion, so this slope seems a little slippery to me.
      History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
      - MTG

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        Disgusting. I hate that they'll just skip town and not suffer any consequences.

        I went to Carmine's back in 2008 before seeing Phantom of the Opera. Loved it, one of the best times of my life. I hope to get back there someday soon.
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          Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

          I’m pretty fierce about freedom of religion, so this slope seems a little slippery to me.
          The slippery slope this time is allowing religious exemptions at all.

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            Originally posted by Texsahara View Post

            The slippery slope this time is allowing religious exemptions at all.
            That’s a different argument, one that I’d have to think about. But if you allow them, then judging whether someone else's belief is real, or sincere, or consistent according to your standards, is a dangerous game.

            Edit: this SCOTUS would certainly insist on religious exemptions.
            History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
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              Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

              That’s a different argument, one that I’d have to think about. But if you allow them, then judging whether someone else's belief is real, or sincere, or consistent according to your standards, is a dangerous game.

              Edit: this SCOTUS would certainly insist on religious exemptions.
              Six states do not allow religious exemptions for any vaccines. Jacobson v Mass which is the case most often pointed to did not mention a religious exemption. You are probably right when it comes to this court but they are going to be wrong a lot. Sigh. BUT a lot of experts think it could hold up.

              Also granting a religious exemption can have stricter requirements than someone 'just sayin'. There are precedents.

              https://www.lawfareblog.com/Designed...ation-Mandates
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...xplains-166934

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                Originally posted by Texsahara View Post

                Six states do not allow religious exemptions for any vaccines. Jacobson v Mass which is the case most often pointed to did not mention a religious exemption. You are probably right when it comes to this court but they are going to be wrong a lot. Sigh. BUT a lot of experts think it could hold up.

                Also granting a religious exemption can have stricter requirements than someone 'just sayin'. There are precedents.

                https://www.lawfareblog.com/Designed...ation-Mandates
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...xplains-166934
                I wouldn’t want to rely much on Employment Division v. Smith. I think this Court would love to overturn that one.
                History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
                - MTG

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                  Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

                  That’s a different argument, one that I’d have to think about. But if you allow them, then judging whether someone else's belief is real, or sincere, or consistent according to your standards, is a dangerous game.

                  Edit: this SCOTUS would certainly insist on religious exemptions.
                  Religious exemptions to vaccines are bogus. (No.) A deadly virus doesn't care what you believe. It's not gonna skip over you because of your sincere belief, and you could kill or sicken someone else. This seems like common sense.
                  "Our work continues, the fight goes on, and the big dreams never die." -- Elizabeth Warren

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                    Originally posted by jlw1980 View Post

                    Religious exemptions to vaccines are bogus. (No.) A deadly virus doesn't care what you believe. It's not gonna skip over you because of your sincere belief, and you could kill or sicken someone else. This seems like common sense.
                    Christian Scientists, for example, can be required to seek medical treatment for their children rather than let them die. In the case of vaccines, the specific risk to any given other person is far less demonstrable, and I would be reluctant to require them to get vaccinated.

                    (The official policy of Christian Science is that it’s an individual choice for believers. https://www.christianscience.com/pre...-public-health)
                    History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
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                      My understanding is there are very few religions that specifically do not allow for vaccines. Its my belief the overwhelming majority use religion exemptions for their personal anti vaccine stance. And i am one who respects the role of religion in people's live. But if you want to be an anti vaxxer - fine. Just dont use religion as your justification
                      You wanna know what? You gotta problem with Luis Cessa, you gotta problem with me. And I suggest you let that one marinate

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                        Well, with the exit of the orange Cheeto, Jair Bolsonaro is vying for the title of most COVID-friendly head of state.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/17/jair-bolsonaro-covid-vaccine-new-york-un-meeting?fbclid=IwAR1Dymlrp51IsLORqLQAooaQNMknrP5TOb2X87WLabN4fWg2kwbTX0yjxGU

                        The Brazilian president, Jair Bolsonaro, has signaled that he will snub New York City vaccination rules when he travels to next week’s UN general assembly claiming not to have received a Covid jab.

                        Bolsonaro is the only G20 leader who publicly claims not to have been vaccinated against a disease that has killed nearly 600,000 Brazilians, although the decision to place a 100-year secrecy order on his immunization records means many citizens doubt that claim.

                        On Thursday night Bolsonaro reiterated his supposed decision to decline a vaccine despite New York City health authorities having said delegates must show proof of vaccination if they plan to eat indoors or enter the general assembly hall.


                        Elsewhere, this ex- military wingnut has said that Brazilian elections are rife with fraud and he's not leaving if the election doesn't go his way. Problem is, unlike Trump, the military might back him. People are getting very nervous down there.
                        "Deep to left! Yastrzemski will not get it! It's a home run! A three-run homer by Bucky Dent! And the Yankees now lead by a score of 3-2!" - New York Yankees announcer Bill White (October 2, 1978)

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                          Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

                          That’s a different argument, one that I’d have to think about. But if you allow them, then judging whether someone else's belief is real, or sincere, or consistent according to your standards, is a dangerous game.

                          Edit: this SCOTUS would certainly insist on religious exemptions.
                          Of course the Handmaid’s Court would require religious exemptions. So long as it’s the right religion as God and County intended.
                          Baseball is life;
                          the rest is just details.

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                            Originally posted by fredgmuggs View Post
                            My understanding is there are very few religions that specifically do not allow for vaccines. Its my belief the overwhelming majority use religion exemptions for their personal anti vaccine stance. And i am one who respects the role of religion in people's live. But if you want to be an anti vaxxer - fine. Just dont use religion as your justification
                            But again, that requires that the state decide whether one's stated beliefs are what one actually believes. I am uncomfortable with that.
                            History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
                            - MTG

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                              Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

                              But again, that requires that the state decide whether one's stated beliefs are what one actually believes. I am uncomfortable with that.
                              If there is going to be a religious exemption, it should be carefully reviewed and there should be a standard that needs to be met. I would compare it to claiming conscientious objector status. The option is there but a case has to be made.

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                                Originally posted by Texsahara View Post
                                If there is going to be a religious exemption, it should be carefully reviewed and there should be a standard that needs to be met. I would compare it to claiming conscientious objector status. The option is there but a case has to be made.
                                Do you approve of the C.O. process?
                                History is our lessons to learn good things to do and bad things to not do.
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