Covid-19

[JL25and3]

The whole virus thing is so strange. There is so much we still don't know.

Some days I think we're all doomed and others I think it's a waste of time to walk around wearing a mask all the time.

I guess because I don't know anyone who had it, despite being in a pretty hard-hit area-- especially early on.

I also never stopped working, and I work in retail so I am in contact with the public all day. I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist or anything. Just that I haven't personally witnessed it-- if that makes any sense. I also got tested for the antibodies a few weeks back and it was negative.

OTOH, my sister works at Stony Brook hospital, and she has told me about cases they've had and how horrible it is for some of them. Her boyfriend is a funeral director and at one point they were storing bodies in one of the viewing rooms with the AC turned up because they had no other way to store them and the crematoriums were 10 days behind.

It might help if we could get reliable scientific data from our government instead of having it all go through the White House to make it politically advantageous. Some of their recommendations have been wrong along the way - notably the initial advice on masks - but people were practically flying blind at the beginning, and they made their best estimates based on what data they had.

If the source of the data is basically trustworthy, that kind of change isn’t a problem. New data comes in, recommendations change. Over time, the data stabilizes, and so do the guidelines. There hasn’t been much change in what the scientists have been saying in the last six months or so.

The problem is that our information comes from the White House, and it’s political rather than scientific. Scientists don’t know everything, but Trump doesn’t know anything.

[JL25and3]

Re: Covid-19

By the way, I’ve also worked every day straight through this. In March and April, a bunch of staff got sick - no deaths, and I don’t even know anyone who was hospitalized. I probably had a mild case, but other people had it worse. Since then, it seems to have faded out in our facility. Masks and a rough effort at social distancing Have undoubtedly helped.

[GordonGecko]

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You mean data like this?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/this...rus-cases.html

Yes, cases, no current effect on hospitalization or mortality

CDC just released the latest week ending Sept 19, hospitalizations still nosediving

At this point it's an assumption increased deaths will follow cases because the data is not showing it at all

[theDurk]

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In Brazil, it went through the nursing home where my ex-'s aunt resides like Sherman through Georgia. Of 24 residents, they all caught it, and 16 died. Many of those I had met at a birthday party. The state took it over and fired everyone. It was small-city TV news for a month. Tia Hilda is 92, and never been sick a day in her life, other than advanced Alzheimer's and numerous broken bones. That was back in May, and she's still going strong.

My internist caught it from a patient, but he had a mild case. That's it.

[Texsahara]

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https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject....udy-finds.html

Fewer than 1 in 10 Americans showed signs of a prior coronavirus infection as of late July, suggesting that the "vast majority" of the population remains susceptible to the virus, according to a large national study published Friday in the Lancet.

The researchers arrived at their findings by studying the prevalence of coronavirus antibodies, which the immune system typically generates in response to an infection, in a group of randomly selected dialysis patients across the country. Even people with coronavirus antibodies are not necessarily immune to the virus, as scientists are still trying to understand how much protection antibodies create and how long that protection might last.

The finding that more than 90% of the country does not have antibodies is in line with conclusions of another study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has not yet been published, according to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield.

Taken together, the two findings indicate that despite the high level of spread of the coronavirus throughout the spring and summer, much of the U.S. has yet to be infected. That means the country likely remains far off from herd immunity, which is reached when enough of the population has developed protection against the virus so that it cannot spread efficiently.

[Mr Coffee]

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https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject....udy-finds.html

The CDC also says that people who have been infected may not develop anti bodies.

[JL25and3]

Re: Covid-19

The CDC also says that people who have been infected may not develop anti bodies.

If they don't have antibodies, they're still susceptible.

[GordonGecko]

Re: Covid-19

[url]https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/09/26/less-than-10percent-of-us-show-signs-of-past-coronavirus-infection-study-finds.html

Fewer than 1 in 10 Americans showed signs of a prior coronavirus infection as of late July, suggesting that the "vast majority" of the population remains susceptible to the virus, according to a large national study published Friday in the Lancet.

The researchers arrived at their findings by studying the prevalence of coronavirus antibodies, which the immune system typically generates in response to an infection, in a group of randomly selected dialysis patients across the country. Even people with coronavirus antibodies are not necessarily immune to the virus, as scientists are still trying to understand how much protection antibodies create and how long that protection might last.

The finding that more than 90% of the country does not have antibodies is in line with conclusions of another study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has not yet been published, according to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield.

Taken together, the two findings indicate that despite the high level of spread of the coronavirus throughout the spring and summer, much of the U.S. has yet to be infected. That means the country likely remains far off from herd immunity, which is reached when enough of the population has developed protection against the virus so that it cannot spread efficiently.

The CDC also says that people who have been infected may not develop anti bodies.

If they don't have antibodies, they're still susceptible.

The people whose COVID was mild had quickly fading antibodies:

Rapid Decay of Anti–SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies in Persons with Mild Covid-19
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2025179

The 1 in 10 with antibodies is the rate of detectable levels, it's likely the true number of infected is multiples higher. If you subscribe to the notion that only antibodies confer immunity, then those people would most likely just present new antibodies and kill off the virus unless they since developed a co-morbidity factor. But again, it's also possible many people kill off the virus with T-cell immunity and never develop antibodies in the first place

[Texsahara]

Re: Covid-19

Which changes nothing.

[CoyoteYankee]

Re: Covid-19

The whole virus thing is so strange. There is so much we still don't know.

Some days I think we're all doomed and others I think it's a waste of time to walk around wearing a mask all the time.

I guess because I don't know anyone who had it, despite being in a pretty hard-hit area-- especially early on.

I also never stopped working, and I work in retail so I am in contact with the public all day. I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist or anything. Just that I haven't personally witnessed it-- if that makes any sense. I also got tested for the antibodies a few weeks back and it was negative.

OTOH, my sister works at Stony Brook hospital, and she has told me about cases they've had and how horrible it is for some of them. Her boyfriend is a funeral director and at one point they were storing bodies in one of the viewing rooms with the AC turned up because they had no other way to store them and the crematoriums were 10 days behind.

I think it's good to take it seriously but not panic. Wearing a mask is not all that much of a burden IMO. I don't think life has to shut down but in order to do that you have to trust that everyone is behaving responsibly. Unfortunately, too many people suck.

[Texsahara]

I think it's good to take it seriously but not panic. Wearing a mask is not all that much of a burden IMO. I don't think life has to shut down but in order to do that you have to trust that everyone is behaving responsibly. Unfortunately, too many people suck.

Precisely.

[YankeePride1967]

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I think it's good to take it seriously but not panic. Wearing a mask is not all that much of a burden IMO. I don't think life has to shut down but in order to do that you have to trust that everyone is behaving responsibly. Unfortunately, too many people suck.

This. I one is saying to hide in your rooms though people like me with issues need to be more careful. Experts said we could get the virus under control simply by all of us wearing a mask in public for 8-12 weeks. That is it. Just wear a mask. Even that is too much for some

[RhodyYanksFan]

Re: Covid-19

I think it's good to take it seriously but not panic. Wearing a mask is not all that much of a burden IMO. I don't think life has to shut down but in order to do that you have to trust that everyone is behaving responsibly. Unfortunately, too many people suck.

This disease in the the goldilocks zone where it's bad enough that it's disrupted society and the economy, but not deadly enough where it's seen as equally bad by everyone. If there's a God he's laughing at the fact that he sent a disease that we could beat by staying home and watching TV and us selfish American's can't even do that right.

Wear a mask. Stay home when you can. It's not that tough or a big sacrifice. But we are a society that abhors any sacrifice no matter how big the benefit is. It's so depressing. I'm embarrassed to be an American when I see groups protesting wearing a mask like it's some draconian gulag punishment. JFC people.

[Maynerd]

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Wear a mask. Stay home when you can. It's not that tough or a big sacrifice. But we are a society that abhors any sacrifice no matter how big the benefit is. It's so depressing. I'm embarrassed to be an American when I see groups protesting wearing a mask like it's some draconian gulag punishment. JFC people.

I wear a mask when I'm out of the house. I hate it, and I question the efficacy, particularly with the number of people I see wearing them incorrectly. But I wear it regularly just because it MIGHT be effective. And I wear it to protect others, not so much for my own safety.

I stay close to home, but not necessarily AT home. Maybe not 'when I can,' but certainly much more often than normal. Mrs Maynerd and I try to support local restaurants (who are hanging on by a thread), but only those that are staying up on mask/cleaning/distancing guidelines. But, I haven't really seen people I normally socialize with for months. I hate that, too, but putting a lot of people in close quarters is asking for trouble. Mrs Maynerd and I have not travelled outside the State of Colorado since January. Hate that, too. But, curtailing unnecessary travel is probably the smartest thig we can be doing.

Those are inconveniences. It's the reality when there's a highly infectious disease spreading around the globe. No one has taken my rights away. Like you, I'm appalled at the people who are unwilling to make some sacrifices for the greater good. College campuses, in particular, are a trainwreck. I'm also amazed at the people spouting, "If you're afraid of the virus, wear a mask and stay home, but don't tell me I have to do that." For crying out loud, you don't wear a mask and socially distance because you're afraid. You do it to protect others. Their defense of rights that don't even exist show them to be remarkably selfish.

This coming Saturday will be rough day for me. My beloved Air Force Falcons will be playing Navy, here in Colorado. Only the Cadets will be allowed to attend. It will be the first home AF football game I will have missed (rain, shine, wind, and snow) in over 25 years. That's 150 straight games. For me, at this point, it becomes more impactful than simply an inconvenience. If I can deal with missing a home game, particularly Navy, then people can put on a damn mask to go to the grocery store.

[GordonGecko]

Re: Covid-19

Which changes nothing.

It changes the public threat if it's already run through the population

Either way you can't keep things shut down, everything should be open with appropriate safeguards (masks and physical distancing)