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    #2581
    Originally posted by GordonGecko View Post
    It changes the public threat if it's already run through the population

    Either way you can't keep things shut down, everything should be open with appropriate safeguards (masks and physical distancing)
    It doesn't change the current behavior recommendations. The last thing we need right now are a bunch of people running around maskless because they think they immune.

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      #2582
      Re: Covid-19

      @albamonica

      President Trump just now in the Rose Garden: "We're rounding the corner."

      VP Pence moments earlier: "The American people should anticipate that cases will rise in the days ahead."

      CDC Director Dr. Redfield to me Friday: "We're nowhere near the end."

      And a radiologist, not Fauci, is asked by Trump to give the reassuring words

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        #2583
        Re: Covid-19

        Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
        @albamonica

        President Trump just now in the Rose Garden: "We're rounding the corner."

        VP Pence moments earlier: "The American people should anticipate that cases will rise in the days ahead."

        CDC Director Dr. Redfield to me Friday: "We're nowhere near the end."

        And a radiologist, not Fauci, is asked by Trump to give the reassuring words
        The problem with Trump is he thinks his lies are actually the truth.
        You wanna know what? You gotta problem with Luis Cessa, you gotta problem with me. And I suggest you let that one marinate

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          #2584
          Re: Covid-19

          Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
          @albamonica

          President Trump just now in the Rose Garden: "We're rounding the corner."

          VP Pence moments earlier: "The American people should anticipate that cases will rise in the days ahead."

          CDC Director Dr. Redfield to me Friday: "We're nowhere near the end."

          And a radiologist, not Fauci, is asked by Trump to give the reassuring words
          I'm constantly in a state of despair about the scale of this national tragedy. It never, ever had to be this bad. We shouldn't have lost over 200,000 lives. It torments me.
          "Our work continues, the fight goes on, and the big dreams never die." -- Elizabeth Warren

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            #2585
            Re: Covid-19

            Originally posted by jlw1980 View Post
            I'm constantly in a state of despair about the scale of this national tragedy. It never, ever had to be this bad. We shouldn't have lost over 200,000 lives. It torments me.
            I'm not sure how we get past it, either. Even if we get a new president, I don't know what he'll actually be able to accomplish to fight this thing.

            Maybe we can increase production of PPE and get more stimulus money, but a nationwide shutdown/quarantine or nationwide mask mandate is not realistic. Too many people have made up their minds on what is and is not risky/safe behavior to all suddenly pull in one direction, thanks in large part to the mixed messaging from our current leadership.
            Stay "We" my friends

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              #2586
              Re: Covid-19

              This has made me give up on much of humanity. If you refuse to wear a mask knowing it will save lives, you are garbage

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                #2587
                Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
                This has made me give up on much of humanity. If you refuse to wear a mask knowing it will save lives, you are garbage
                The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
                Russian warship, go **** yourself

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                  #2588
                  Re: Covid-19

                  Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
                  This has made me give up on much of humanity. If you refuse to wear a mask knowing it will save lives, you are garbage
                  The problem is that just as many people "know" masks are useless, or they "know" wearing masks cause health problems. These people don't think of themselves as garbage putting other lives at risk; they think they know something everybody else is too dumb to see.

                  And at this point, I have no idea how any president (new or incumbent) would even begin to bridge that divide. I think our only realistic options are to increase testing, increase PPE production/availability, encourage states to mandate masks/social distancing wherever possible and hope a vaccine is found sooner than later.
                  Stay "We" my friends

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                    #2589
                    Re: Covid-19

                    Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                    I'm not sure how we get past it, either. Even if we get a new president, I don't know what he'll actually be able to accomplish to fight this thing.

                    Maybe we can increase production of PPE and get more stimulus money, but a nationwide shutdown/quarantine or nationwide mask mandate is not realistic. Too many people have made up their minds on what is and is not risky/safe behavior to all suddenly pull in one direction, thanks in large part to the mixed messaging from our current leadership.
                    I don't think we need a nationwide shutdown or quarantine but I don't think it's too late for a nationwide mandate. Even if it's not fully enforced, it can help. Most people are honest and law-abiding. Ramp up testing and contact tracing. More PPE for sure. I'd like to see free masks to anyone that needs one. Maybe have a dispenser at the door of every business? More education - public services commercials, signage, social meda ads, etc. Just pound away at it. Repetition works.

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                      #2590
                      Re: Covid-19

                      Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                      The problem is that just as many people "know" masks are useless, or they "know" wearing masks cause health problems. These people don't think of themselves as garbage putting other lives at risk; they think they know something everybody else is too dumb to see.

                      And at this point, I have no idea how any president (new or incumbent) would even begin to bridge that divide. I think our only realistic options are to increase testing, increase PPE production/availability, encourage states to mandate masks/social distancing wherever possible and hope a vaccine is found sooner than later.
                      What Tex said. CDC said if 95% wore a mask for 8-12 weeks the virus would be under control. It a drastic change in lifestyle

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                        #2591
                        Re: Covid-19

                        Originally posted by Texsahara View Post
                        I don't think we need a nationwide shutdown or quarantine but I don't think it's too late for a nationwide mandate. Even if it's not fully enforced, it can help. Most people are honest and law-abiding. Ramp up testing and contact tracing. More PPE for sure. I'd like to see free masks to anyone that needs one. Maybe have a dispenser at the door of every business? More education - public services commercials, signage, social meda ads, etc. Just pound away at it. Repetition works.
                        I'm fine with all of that, but prepare yourselves mentally for the onslaught of "see, I told you Biden's a socialist!" messaging from the right in response to any of that happening.
                        Stay "We" my friends

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                          #2592
                          Re: Covid-19

                          Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                          I'm fine with all of that, but prepare yourselves mentally for the onslaught of "see, I told you Biden's a socialist!" messaging from the right in response to any of that happening.
                          Eh. I expect that anyway. It should be ignored. Stay on message. Don't let the people that disagree control the narrative. Act like a republican.

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                            #2593
                            Re: Covid-19

                            Originally posted by Texsahara View Post
                            Eh. I expect that anyway. It should be ignored. Stay on message. Don't let the people that disagree control the narrative. Act like a republican.

                            I'm not worried so much about controlling the narrative as I am about half the country ignoring the message because of the color of the tie in the White House. That doesn't mean I don't want to see us attempt those things you listed.
                            Stay "We" my friends

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                              #2594
                              Re: Covid-19

                              Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                              I'm not worried so much about controlling the narrative as I am about half the country ignoring the message because of the color of the tie in the White House. That doesn't mean I don't want to see us attempt those things you listed.

                              This is where I disagree. I don't believe it's half the country or even close to that. If it's even half the trump voters I'd be surprised. A consistent, national campaign will make a difference.

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                                #2595
                                Re: Covid-19

                                Australia seemed to make it work and they seem to have a similar number of “Don’t Tread on Me” types as the US does.
                                Baseball is life;
                                the rest is just details.

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