Covid-19

[fredgmuggs]

Re: Covid-19

In a bit of a gripe, my wife is a hair stylist. She works several feet from the public all day. In this next roll-out CT will include essential workers such as grocery store workers etc but her profession is not included. I'm a bit miffed about that.

[Texsahara]

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In a bit of a gripe, my wife is a hair stylist. She works several feet from the public all day. In this next roll-out CT will include essential workers such as grocery store workers etc but her profession is not included. I'm a bit miffed about that.

Is having your hair styled essential?

[fredgmuggs]

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Is having your hair styled essential?

According to her clients it is.

[Texsahara]

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For those waiting in CT

https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/...rmy-story.html

COVID-19 vaccination of 65-to-74-year-old residents will take at least four weeks, state officials say, meaning frontline essential workers and adults with serious health conditions won’t likely become eligible for vaccines until early- to mid-March.

[Texsahara]

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According to her clients it is.

Ha. I bet. I have not had my haircut since January 2020 other than by my own not-so-steady hand. That is one of the first things I want to do once vaccinated.

[Yankee Tripper]

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They really should have just kept rolling out vaccination by age down to ~50. Don't see why they arbitrarily stopped at 65. There's no reason for a 30 year old teacher or grocery worker to be vaccinated before a 64 year old person. Even vaccinating every healthcare worker in the country before the elderly didn't make sense. Co-morbidities are also a minimal risk factor compared to age.

The worst rollout in the country was probably NJ, which opened up vaccination to half the state's population immediately and made it almost impossible for a senior without computer skills to get a vaccine.

In about a month though, the whole debate will be moot and the focus will become more about convincing people to take the vaccine.

Paragraph 1 - disagree
Paragraph 2 - don’t know but if it’s like CA probably true
Paragraph 3 - we can only hope

[billyhoyle]

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Is it true that NJ is allowing younger cigeratte smokers to cut the line?

NJ opened vaccination to everyone over 65, people with comorbidities of all ages (including BMI>30, smokers, diabetes), and certain essential workers (police, firefighters) all at the same time. The only way to get an appointment was online. Half of the state immediately became eligible by fitting into one of these groups. This in effect eliminated the ability of old people to sign up-many have been waiting in the "standby" lines outside hospitals/vaccination centers for hours to get the vaccine, while younger people walk right in for their appointments.

To give an idea of how nuts this is, being obese, having diabetes, or smoking increases mortality risk by 1.5 to 2 fold. Being over 65 increases your risk 90 fold, being over 75 increases it 300 fold, and being over 85 increases it 600 fold.

I think this is the single most botched vaccine rollout in the entire country.

[billyhoyle]

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Paragraph 1 - disagree
Paragraph 2 - don’t know but if it’s like CA probably true
Paragraph 3 - we can only hope

Look up the CFR breakdowns by age and comorbidities. It's not even close. If you are 30, the
key reason to vaccinate is to protect the elderly (and to avoid getting sick because getting sick sucks). Being 50 or 60 is significantly more dangerous than being a 30 year old grocery store worker, teacher, or healthcare worker.

CA had one of the best vaccine rollouts in the country. Not sure what you are talking about there. Vaccines have been widely available for seniors and are now expanding to essential workers.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

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In a bit of a gripe, my wife is a hair stylist. She works several feet from the public all day. In this next roll-out CT will include essential workers such as grocery store workers etc but her profession is not included. I'm a bit miffed about that.

Meanwhile I'm eligible in *Pennsylvania* because I'm considered a government contractor who works there, which is...a generous interpretation of my job. I would never have dreamed of trying to get the shot there, though.

[Casey at the Bat]

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Look up the CFR breakdowns by age and comorbidities. It's not even close. If you are 30, the
key reason to vaccinate is to protect the elderly (and to avoid getting sick because getting sick sucks). Being 50 or 60 is significantly more dangerous than being a 30 year old grocery store worker, teacher, or healthcare worker.

CA had one of the best vaccine rollouts in the country. Not sure what you are talking about there. Vaccines have been widely available for seniors and are now expanding to essential workers.

WTH? It's been pretty awful in CA. If CA is "one of the best vaccine rollouts in the country," I gotta know what the other states are doing so badly to make our crazy system look so good.

[Yankee Tripper]

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Look up the CFR breakdowns by age and comorbidities. It's not even close. If you are 30, the
key reason to vaccinate is to protect the elderly (and to avoid getting sick because getting sick sucks). Being 50 or 60 is significantly more dangerous than being a 30 year old grocery store worker, teacher, or healthcare worker.

CA had one of the best vaccine rollouts in the country. Not sure what you are talking about there. Vaccines have been widely available for seniors and are now expanding to essential workers.

It's as much about reducing the spread as it is vaccinating high risk groups. Teachers in a confined room for 6+ hours a day coming in contact with potentially 32 x 6 groups of disease vectors for an hour at a time and grocery workers who can have upwards of 200+ contacts per day would seem to be high risk super spreaders and rightly should be near the top of the vaccination chart.


California at 6.21M doses administered and 15.72 per 100 people is a bit behind the National average of 16.11 per 100.


But if you're upset about NJ they are 16.07 doses per 100 people right about National average.

[RhodyYanksFan]

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It's as much about reducing the spread as it is vaccinating high risk groups. Teachers in a confined room for 6+ hours a day coming in contact with potentially 32 x 6 groups of disease vectors for an hour at a time and grocery workers who can have upwards of 200+ contacts per day would seem to be high risk super spreaders and rightly should be near the top of the vaccination chart.


California at 6.21M doses administered and 15.72 per 100 people is a bit behind the National average of 16.11 per 100.


But if you're upset about NJ they are 16.07 doses per 100 people right about National average.

Yeah I don't get how the CDC can say schools can reopen without putting teachers into high risk groups who should get the vaccine ahead of, say, homeless people.

[Texsahara]

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Yeah I don't get how the CDC can say schools can reopen without putting teachers into high risk groups who should get the vaccine ahead of, say, homeless people.

what?

[billyhoyle]

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WTH? It's been pretty awful in CA. If CA is "one of the best vaccine rollouts in the country," I gotta know what the other states are doing so badly to make our crazy system look so good.

What about California has been awful? They have efficiently vaccinated people 75+, then 65+, and now are expanding to essential workers. All in the most populous state in the country.

It's as much about reducing the spread as it is vaccinating high risk groups. Teachers in a confined room for 6+ hours a day coming in contact with potentially 32 x 6 groups of disease vectors for an hour at a time and grocery workers who can have upwards of 200+ contacts per day would seem to be high risk super spreaders and rightly should be near the top of the vaccination chart.


California at 6.21M doses administered and 15.72 per 100 people is a bit behind the National average of 16.11 per 100.


But if you're upset about NJ they are 16.07 doses per 100 people right about National average.

Spread in schools that open at reduced density has been low. The point is that even if there is a small amount of spread in the school, if the elderly population is vaccinated, there will be next to no societal medical consequence. Covid for a 30 year old teacher is the flu. Covid for a 60 year old teacher is a life or death event. The most important thing in the vaccine rollout is getting the people most likely to die from covid vaccinated as soon as possible. With the variants, covid won’t be eliminated from society-but once people stop dying from it due to vaccination or partial immunity from prior infections, the pandemic will effectively be over.

There is much more to the rollout than doses administered per person. CA has gotten a significant number of their 75+ and then 65+ population vaccinated with the sequential rollout. NJ started with literally half the state eligible and made getting appointments entirely about being tech savvy.

[Casey at the Bat]

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What about California has been awful? They have efficiently vaccinated people 75+, then 65+, and now are expanding to essential workers. All in the most populous state in the country.



Spread in schools that open at reduced density has been low. The point is that even if there is a small amount of spread in the school, if the elderly population is vaccinated, there will be next to no societal medical consequence. Covid for a 30 year old teacher is the flu. Covid for a 60 year old teacher is a life or death event. The most important thing in the vaccine rollout is getting the people most likely to die from covid vaccinated as soon as possible. With the variants, covid won’t be eliminated from society-but once people stop dying from it due to vaccination or partial immunity from prior infections, the pandemic will effectively be over.

There is much more to the rollout than doses administered per person. CA has gotten a significant number of their 75+ and then 65+ population vaccinated with the sequential rollout. NJ started with literally half the state eligible and made getting appointments entirely about being tech savvy.

Here's a story about CA from today's paper.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...tion-confusion

Personally, there are plenty of older adults who are having a very hard time getting vaccine appointments. Some of the larger vaccine sites (like Dodger stadium) have had to close from time to time, because of lack of vaccines. I work for a school. I got my first vaccine. My 71 year old mom got the first appointment I could find for her... after a few days of trying. The appointment is in March. Kaiser Permanante, (who is the medical provider of most of my family) is still only vaccinating people aged 75 and over, and is supposed to be reaching out to them as vaccines become available. My mom would have continued to wait for Kaiser to contact her if I hadn't jumped in and got her an appointment outside of Kaiser. Most of my family that are over 65 are still unvaccinated for various reasons. The rollout here in CA sucks.