Covid-19

[Yankee Tripper]

Arguing to evict people is pro-homeless. That’s your position.

[Tyler Durden]

For better or worse, that's only 10% of the country. We suck but it's better than nothing and buys time.

I have little faith their solution will make many happy, outside of BlackRock.

[Texsahara]

I have little faith their solution will make many happy, outside of BlackRock.

Nope. It's not good. But "better than nothing" seems to be this admin's battle cry. It's frustrating.

[ClownPickle]

Kavanaugh declined to vacate the stay. That is the ruling. Woulda, coulda, shoulda does not have any legal standing. A CDC order placing a moratorium on evictions for specific public health reasons is not a bad precedent at all.

Of course it is. The CDC has no right to make that determination.

The only thing the CDC has the right to do is:

CDC to issue regulations that pertain to “inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, destruction of animals or articles to be so infected,” but there is no federal law on the books that relate to eviction, and the Supreme Court has decided that eviction is not covered under the “any other measures” portion of the underlying statute — not least because if “any other measures” could be construed to apply to everything else imaginable, then the itemized justifications in the law would be moot.

[Tyler Durden]

Nope. It's not good. But "better than nothing" seems to be this admin's battle cry. It's frustrating.

"Build Back Better Than Nothing"

[Yankee Tripper]

The rental assistance money for tenants and landlords is there as it was authorized by Congress but state and local governments are dragging their feet and not distributing it.

but throwing a bunch of folks out of their homes with surging delta seems like terrible public policy, but conservatives have been about terrible public policy for as long as I can remember

[ClownPickle]

Arguing to evict people is pro-homeless. That’s your position.

Not really. I'm arguing contracts are upheld. How about the folks who are upside down on mortgage payments because they aren't getting their rental income? Do they deserve to lose their homes? How about the renters who are under the moratorium but still owe that money? Are they going to be able to come up with a year's worth of rent? How's that get payed back? When does that get payed back? How many are going to default? Will it be the homeowners responsibility to then pay the court fees/lawyer to get their money from the renter? Let's just print some more money I guess.

It's very ugly when government agencies overstep their bounds and have no idea how to address the fallout. It's like removing a dictator in a foreign country. Sure it sounds like a great idea, but you really have no idea how complex everything is. The Biden administration needs to do a much better job addressing this. They've had enough of time.

[YankeePride1967]

Nice to see Clown Pickle and Maynerd arguing for more homeless people.

well screwing the poor is one of the top philosophies of “conservatives”

[Tyler Durden]

The rental assistance money for tenants and landlords is there as it was authorized by Congress but state and local governments are dragging their feet and not distributing it.

but throwing a bunch of folks out of their homes with surging delta seems like terrible public policy, but conservatives have been about terrible public policy for as long as I can remember

The problem is that from an optics standpoint the Dems are going to be the ones owning this.

[Texsahara]

Of course it is. The CDC has no right to make that determination.

The only thing the CDC has the right to do is:

Under Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act, the CDC is authorized “to make and enforce such regulations [which] are necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the states or possessions, or from one state or possession into any other state or possession.” Their position is that preventing evictions would be "Mitigating the further spread of COVID-19 from one state or territory into any other state or territory". It's up to the courts to decide if they are interpreting their legal responsibility correctly. Not you or the national review. Scotus will get another shot at it. Until then people get to stay housed.

[ClownPickle]

Under Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act, the CDC is authorized “to make and enforce such regulations [which] are necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the states or possessions, or from one state or possession into any other state or possession.” Their position is that preventing evictions would be "Mitigating the further spread of COVID-19 from one state or territory into any other state or territory". It's up to the courts to decide if they are interpreting their legal responsibility correctly. Not you or the national review. Scotus will get another shot at it.

That relates to "authority for isolation and quarantine." That has nothing to do with voiding property contracts.

[Yankee Tripper]

Not really. I'm arguing contracts are upheld. How about the folks who are upside down on mortgage payments because they aren't getting their rental income? Do they deserve to lose their homes? How about the renters who are under the moratorium but still owe that money? Are they going to be able to come up with a year's worth of rent? How's that get payed back? When does that get payed back? How many are going to default? Will it be the homeowners responsibility to then pay the court fees/lawyer to get their money from the renter? Let's just print some more money I guess.

It's very ugly when government agencies overstep their bounds and have no idea how to address the fallout. It's like removing a dictator in a foreign country. Sure it sounds like a great idea, but you really have no idea how complex everything is. The Biden administration needs to do a much better job addressing this. They've had enough of time.

So your solution is to force evictions. Sounds pro-homeless.

[Maynerd]

Nice to see Clown Pickle and Maynerd arguing for more homeless people.

Not what I'm advocating in the least.

I'm advocating for a government that runs based on the limitations of power defined by the Constitution, rather than one that makes up rules as it goes. "Pay no attention to the Supreme Court ruling. Think of the poor people. Our cause is just, so rules and limitations and laws don't apply and we can do whatever we want."

Why are we only looking at rent? Is it okay for anyone with a mortgage to stop making payments? Why should they bother? If the bank has no repercussions, they could use that money to buy a bunch of cool stuff!

How about the property owner that owns a duplex, and lives in half of it? Is he expected to make his mortgage payment for the whole house, when he's no longer receiving rent from his tenant? We're not talking about a corporation that owns a multi-thousand unit apartment complex. We're talking about a guy that rents out the other half of his home.

[Yankee Tripper]

Not what I'm advocating in the least.

I'm advocating for a government that runs based on the limitations of power defined by the Constitution, rather than one that makes up rules as it goes. "Pay no attention to the Supreme Court ruling. Think of the poor people. Our cause is just, so rules and limitations and laws don't apply and we can do whatever we want."

Why are we only looking at rent? Is it okay for anyone with a mortgage to stop making payments? Why should they bother? If the bank has no repercussions, they could use that money to buy a bunch of cool stuff!

How about the property owner that owns a duplex, and lives in half of it? Is he expected to make his mortgage payment for the whole house, when he's no longer receiving rent from his tenant? We're not talking about a corporation that owns a multi-thousand unit apartment complex. We're talking about a guy that rents out the other half of his home.

So same question for you, are you for or against enforcing the evictions now?

[Yankee Tripper]

$46B In rental assistance was a approved by Congress and the Biden Administration. Only $3B has been allocated.

groups should be putting their efforts into forcing state and local governments to allocate these funds, not advocating to throw people on the street like Maynerd and Clown Pickle want.

and Maynerd to answer your question, the rental assistance program also applies to mortgage payment assistance as well.