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[Yankee Tripper]

You see, ClownPickle, the thing is.........if you don't like something, it's racist, but if you DO like something, and someone identifies a parallel, it's a false equivalency.

It's really very simple.

Except one has a long storied history of discrimination against people of color and one does not.

[JL25and3]

It's just not as simple as this. Decades of slavery, oppression, and systemic racism/lies have led to widespread governmental and pharmaceutical distrust among minorities.

You can't just wipe out decades of this type of oppression and distrust because of how easy something is logistically. That would be like saying someone should just make an online appointment at the DMV for a voter ID, you know?

You don’t believe systemic racism is a thing.

[ClownPickle]

You don’t believe systemic racism is a thing.

Of course I do, we just disagree to it's prevalence.

[False1]

Except I was sincere when I posited if that particular poster was actually from / living in Canada. Maybe that was too personal, maybe not, but I found it to be an important question to ask if we are to value eachothers opinions.

I like you, man. I like that you can give and take a little back and forth. I typically agree with you outside of this thread. I share a bond with you as you and I were two of the loudest voices hoping that the Yankees would sign Heyward to an 8 year deal when he was a free agent LOL

But for real I laughed when I read this. You make it sound like you brought that up just once just cuz science and because you wanted to understand more about the digital person that is hfxbob. You constantly try to discredit his POVs because he's from Canada. I think just recently you said something along the lines of "Canada, ladies and gentlemen." I've called you out on it several times. Own it LOL

[JL25and3]

Of course I do, we just disagree to it's prevalence.

There’s no "of course" there.

[Maynerd]

There’s no "of course" there.

You'd prefer "clearly?"

[JL25and3]

You'd prefer "clearly?"

I’d prefer an acknowledgment of the positions he’s taken in the past. There was applauding the UK policy paper stating that systemic racism doesn’t exist. There have also been repeated assertions that only specifically demonstrable racist intent in specific circumstances qualifies as racism. Heck, we aren’t even offered data to show how this specific situation was caused by nothing other than racsim.

I call BS.

[ClownPickle]

I’d prefer an acknowledgment of the positions he’s taken in the past. There was applauding the UK policy paper stating that systemic racism doesn’t exist. There have also been repeated assertions that only specifically demonstrable racist intent in specific circumstances qualifies as racism. Heck, we aren’t even offered data to show how this specific situation was caused by nothing other than racsim.

I call BS.

That's demonstrably false. They never stated it doesn't exist. The report just didn't find "systemic racism" as the main driver for disparities. That aligns with my own view.

You should actually read it:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

I'll provide some examples.

Massage massacre: The shooter was a religious extremist and sex addict. He actually admitted to the killings but not due to race. You see racism anyway.

Voter ID: I see the Republicans push for this to be politically motivated. Helps secure votes. Not racially motivated, but it does impact minorities. You see racism anyway.

Test Scores: Asians score much higher than African Americans despite similar levels of low income and hate crimes. You see the disparity as due to historical racism.

Your default is racism. Your default for disparity is racism. It's consistent, prevalent, and frankly it's harmful.

[JL25and3]

That's demonstrably false. They never stated it doesn't exist. The report just didn't find "systemic racism" as the main driver for disparities. That aligns with my own view.

You should actually read it:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

I'll provide some examples.

Massage massacre: The shooter was a religious extremist and sex addict. He actually admitted to the killings but not due to race. You see racism anyway.

Voter ID: I see the Republicans push for this to be politically motivated. Helps secure votes. Not racially motivated, but it does impact minorities. You see racism anyway.

Test Scores: Asians score much higher than African Americans despite similar levels of low income and hate crimes. You see the disparity as due to historical racism.

Your default is racism. Your default for disparity is racism. It's consistent, prevalent, and frankly it's harmful.

Why are you providing examples of what I believe? That’s well documented, and not at issue. Not even a good deflection.

[ClownPickle]

Why are you providing examples of what I believe? That’s well documented, and not at issue. Not even a good deflection.

How is that a deflection? I'm addressing what you are specifically accusing me of: "There was applauding the UK policy paper stating that systemic racism doesn’t exist."

That wasn't in the report. They never said it didn't exist. That's not true. I've also elaborated my position. That clear enough?

[JL25and3]

How is that a deflection? I'm addressing what you are specifically accusing me of: "There was applauding the UK policy paper stating that systemic racism doesn’t exist."

That wasn't in the report. They never said it didn't exist. That's not true. I've also elaborated my position. That clear enough?

I still dont believe you think systemic racism is a thing. I think you occasionally fake-argue it to see, contrary.

[ClownPickle]

I still dont believe you think systemic racism is a thing. I think you occasionally fake-argue it to see, contrary.

Nope. My argument is that you see "systemic racism" everywhere and in everything, and it leads to all these disparities, violence, and laws.

My view, and that of the UK government is that far more relevant (non-racist) things lead to those things, not that systemic racism/racism doesn't exist at all. That was the point of my post reviewing your positions, and showing my own.

[JL25and3]

Nope. My argument is that you see "systemic racism" everywhere and in everything, and it leads to all these disparities, violence, and laws.

My view, and that of the UK government is that far more relevant (non-racist) things lead to those things, not that systemic racism/racism doesn't exist at all. That was the point of my post reviewing your positions, and showing my own.

No, your argument here was about the corrosive effects of systemic racism. I think that was a cynical and ironic argument. And this time you didn’t show your own positions at all, just attacked mine.

[ojo]

I like you, man. I like that you can give and take a little back and forth. I typically agree with you outside of this thread. I share a bond with you as you and I were two of the loudest voices hoping that the Yankees would sign Heyward to an 8 year deal when he was a free agent LOL

But for real I laughed when I read this. You make it sound like you brought that up just once just cuz science and because you wanted to understand more about the digital person that is hfxbob. You constantly try to discredit his POVs because he's from Canada. I think just recently you said something along the lines of "Canada, ladies and gentlemen." I've called you out on it several times. Own it LOL

No, I was legit serious. I consider the USA to be broken, and I question anyone who purports to be on the outside commenting in. We have enough misinformation going full-blast nowadays.

Down is up, strikeouts are good for offenses, stringing together consecutive hits is/are frowned upon, and Daniel Jones shows just enough promise to keep the Giants from doing the right thing.

[ojo]

Ain't never gonna do it without the fez on.

The Royal Scam is personally a top 10 all time LP.