Covid-19

[RhodyYanksFan]

There has to be a limit on beds for Covid patients who are not vaccinated in each hospital at this point. A reasonable amount of beds that the hospital can handle effectively. Past that number, those who chose to not have the vaccine should have to scramble to find care.

Absolutely agree with this. I'm so sick of hearing about these people. Reading about what the NBA is going through right now was infuriating but had one of the most succinct passages about anti-vaxxers I've seen.

https://deadspin.com/the-narcissism-...-is-1847758434

They believe their self interests trumps science and the betterment of mankind, while still wanting things to “get back to normal” as soon as possible. Their narcissism shines so bright that it blinds them from the fact that they’re the ones holding us up.

[YFIB]

Absolutely agree with this. I'm so sick of hearing about these people. Reading about what the NBA is going through right now was infuriating but had one of the most succinct passages about anti-vaxxers I've seen.

https://deadspin.com/the-narcissism-...-is-1847758434

Ah, back to the NBA. In the article you posted yesterday, there was this gem (actually, it's in the one you posted today also):

“There are so many other players outside of him who are opting out, I would like to think they would make a way,” says Kyrie’s aunt, Tyki Irving, who runs the seven-time All-Star’s family foundation and is one of the few people in his regular circle of advisors. “It could be like every third game. So it still gives you a full season of being interactive and being on the court, but with the limitations that they’re, of course, oppressing upon you. There can be some sort of formula where the NBA and the players can come to some sort of agreement.”

I appreciate all that NBA players have done over the past couple of years in keeping a focus on social issues, and strongly believe that athletes are entitled to voice their opinions... but these guys are still just basketball players, and the idea that NY or SF should bend their safety regulations so that an ant-vaxxer can get on the court is mind-boggling. They can still make their "personal choice" and not get vaccinated, but there are consequences for that choice, like there are for the rest of us. The earth will continue to rotate without Kyrie Irving on a basketball court, and the NBA season will be fine.

[Maynerd]

There has to be a limit on beds for Covid patients who are not vaccinated in each hospital at this point. A reasonable amount of beds that the hospital can handle effectively. Past that number, those who chose to not have the vaccine should have to scramble to find care.

I even question providing them with "a reasonable number of beds." You "don't trust" the vaccine? Then you obviously don't trust medical science, and have no business occupying a hospital bed. You should have the freedom to chose NOT to get a vaccine? Fine, you also chose NOT to get a hospital bed.

A friend of my wife's refuses to get the vaccine. When asked why, she routinely answers "I can't," with no additional explanation. She insists on meeting at a place where she can sit outside, because she also won't wear a mask [again, "I can't."] And, she seems genuinely curious when none of her (fully vaccinated) friends respond to an invitation to meet for drinks. She's made her decision. I see no reason why she should get a hospital bed if that decision leads to an illness.

Vaccination is not political. It's not a Trump thing, or a Biden thing, or a Fauci thing. It's neither Republican nor Democrat. It's a means of significantly reducing the risk of a serious illness, for both the vaccinated, and those they come in contact with. If you accept that risk, you have to accept all of it. You shouldn't get to say "hey, I didn't want the shot, but now I'm sick and YOU need to do something about it."

[Texsahara]

I even question providing them with "a reasonable number of beds." You "don't trust" the vaccine? Then you obviously don't trust medical science, and have no business occupying a hospital bed. You should have the freedom to chose NOT to get a vaccine? Fine, you also chose NOT to get a hospital bed.

A friend of my wife's refuses to get the vaccine. When asked why, she routinely answers "I can't," with no additional explanation. She insists on meeting at a place where she can sit outside, because she also won't wear a mask [again, "I can't."] And, she seems genuinely curious when none of her (fully vaccinated) friends respond to an invitation to meet for drinks. She's made her decision. I see no reason why she should get a hospital bed if that decision leads to an illness.

Vaccination is not political. It's not a Trump thing, or a Biden thing, or a Fauci thing. It's neither Republican nor Democrat. It's a means of significantly reducing the risk of a serious illness, for both the vaccinated, and those they come in contact with. If you accept that risk, you have to accept all of it. You shouldn't get to say "hey, I didn't want the shot, but now I'm sick and YOU need to do something about it."

I agree in theory but at the same time, it's easy to sit on the outside and tell medical professionals that they have to let the unvaccinated guy die when they've committed their lives to providing help to those that need it. Do we really want death panels?

[Yankee Tripper]

I even question providing them with "a reasonable number of beds." You "don't trust" the vaccine? Then you obviously don't trust medical science, and have no business occupying a hospital bed. You should have the freedom to chose NOT to get a vaccine? Fine, you also chose NOT to get a hospital bed.

A friend of my wife's refuses to get the vaccine. When asked why, she routinely answers "I can't," with no additional explanation. She insists on meeting at a place where she can sit outside, because she also won't wear a mask [again, "I can't."] And, she seems genuinely curious when none of her (fully vaccinated) friends respond to an invitation to meet for drinks. She's made her decision. I see no reason why she should get a hospital bed if that decision leads to an illness.

Vaccination is not political. It's not a Trump thing, or a Biden thing, or a Fauci thing. It's neither Republican nor Democrat. It's a means of significantly reducing the risk of a serious illness, for both the vaccinated, and those they come in contact with. If you accept that risk, you have to accept all of it. You shouldn't get to say "hey, I didn't want the shot, but now I'm sick and YOU need to do something about it."

Yeah while I have the same feeling on this on an emotional level does that mean we shouldn't treat reckless drivers who get injured in an accident I mean they shouldn't have been reckless driving right? Should we not treat obese people who eat at McDonalds? Should we not treat smokers for lung cancer? The list goes on.

I'm all for raising premiums for unvaccinated to cover the anticipated higher costs and while I hate our current healthcare system where folks can go into bankruptcy for medical debt as long as that's still a thing I have no problem charging the cost sharing portion to unvaccinated who wind up in the ICU.

[Texsahara]

Yeah while I have the same feeling on this on an emotional level does that mean we shouldn't treat reckless drivers who get injured in an accident I mean they shouldn't have been reckless driving right? Should we not treat obese people who eat at McDonalds? Should we not treat smokers for lung cancer? The list goes on.

I'm all for raising premiums for unvaccinated to cover the anticipated higher costs and while I hate our current healthcare system where folks can go into bankruptcy for medical debt as long as that's still a thing I have no problem charging the cost sharing portion to unvaccinated who wind up in the ICU.

The difference, though, is that reckless drivers or obese people are not taxing the resources the way the unvaccinated are. It's not about the cost.

[Yankee Tripper]

The difference, though, is that reckless drivers or obese people are not taxing the resources the way the unvaccinated are. It's not about the cost.

Yeah I get that healthcare systems are overburdened.

Is the solution to remove care from unvaccinated if the bed is needed for vaccinated COVID patient or condition unrelated to COVID? Who makes that call?

[Texsahara]

Yeah I get that healthcare systems are overburdened.

Is the solution to remove care from unvaccinated if the bed is needed for vaccinated COVID patient or condition unrelated to COVID? Who makes that call?

Right. Death panels. Not a fan.

[RhodyYanksFan]

Zac Brown just "paused" his "comeback tour" because he tested positive. Nowhere in this note does it say "despite being fully vaccinated..." so RhodyYanksFan just tested negative for sympathy.

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[Maynerd]

I agree in theory but at the same time, it's easy to sit on the outside and tell medical professionals that they have to let the unvaccinated guy die when they've committed their lives to providing help to those that need it. Do we really want death panels?

No Death Panel told them to refuse an inoculation. It seems to me they convened their own Death Panel.

I'm fine with providing treatment to the unvaccinated, but only up to the point someone who has been vaccinated doesn't need the care. Aren't we also convening a death panel when we refuse care to a vaccinated person because the beds are full of the unvaccinated? Do we tell them "sorry, you'll just have to wait until there's room," or do we push the unvaccinated guy out into the hallway? Either way, you're picking one person or the other. Why not prioritize the one who took measures to avoid needing the care?

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah I get that healthcare systems are overburdened.

Is the solution to remove care from unvaccinated if the bed is needed for vaccinated COVID patient or condition unrelated to COVID? Who makes that call?

I agree with you. Prioritizing those who took preventative measures over those who need care the most urgently is a horrible way of practicing medicine, vaccine or no vaccine.

[Texsahara]

I agree with you. Prioritizing those who took preventative measures over those who need care the most urgently is a horrible way of practicing medicine, vaccine or no vaccine.

Which only reinforces the need to mandate vaccines.

[Texsahara]

No Death Panel told them to refuse an inoculation. It seems to me they convened their own Death Panel.

I'm fine with providing treatment to the unvaccinated, but only up to the point someone who has been vaccinated doesn't need the care. Aren't we also convening a death panel when we refuse care to a vaccinated person because the beds are full of the unvaccinated? Do we tell them "sorry, you'll just have to wait until there's room," or do we push the unvaccinated guy out into the hallway? Either way, you're picking one person or the other. Why not prioritize the one who took measures to avoid needing the care?

where is your line? if you go to the emergency room late on a saturday night with heart pain do you get to go ahead of the drunk driver, the gang member, the obese mom, the overdose? since you made better life choices do you get priority?

[YankeePride1967]

where is your line? if you go to the emergency room late on a saturday night with heart pain do you get to go ahead of the drunk driver, the gang member, the obese mom, the overdose? since you made better life choices do you get priority?

Funny, funny recall the right blasting Obama about (there were none) death panels when the ACA was being negotiated

[Yankee Tripper]

Funny, funny recall the right blasting Obama about (there were none) death panels when the ACA was being negotiated

See but these aren't "death panels", they are "freedum to die panels". Huge, Bigly difference.