Covid-19

[Maynerd]

Pretty sure giving vaccines to folks currently infected with a disease is against medical practice as that's not at all how vaccines work.

That was a weak attempt at sarcasm. Again, if someone doesn't "trust" the medical science, what are they doing in a medical treatment facility? They don't believe the prevention will be effective; why do they think the treatment will be? They shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If you dismiss the recommendation of the experts, you shouldn't be allowed to seek out those same experts when you discover that maybe they were right in the first place.

[Yankee Tripper]

That was a weak attempt at sarcasm. Again, if someone doesn't "trust" the medical science, what are they doing in a medical treatment facility? They don't believe the prevention will be effective; why do they think the treatment will be? They shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If you dismiss the recommendation of the experts, you shouldn't be allowed to seek out those same experts when you discover that maybe they were right in the first place.

As you said - no atheists in the fox hole.

It's easy to believe it won't happen to you when you are healthy, but you'll beg for any cure possible when you can't breath.

Though some aren't even seeking out experts, they are seeking out any quack on the internet with a "can't miss COVID cure" even going so far as to avoid hospitals and nebuleize hydrogen peroxide. Some folks are actually turning to Trumps "we should see if we could get that work" comment into reality.

[Texsahara]

That was a weak attempt at sarcasm. Again, if someone doesn't "trust" the medical science, what are they doing in a medical treatment facility? They don't believe the prevention will be effective; why do they think the treatment will be? They shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If you dismiss the recommendation of the experts, you shouldn't be allowed to seek out those same experts when you discover that maybe they were right in the first place.

Does this apply to everything or just covid?

[RhodyYanksFan]

Might have to make one of these for my front yard.

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[RhodyYanksFan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/h...366380c17626c6

Data from Federal Scientists Raise Questions About J.&J. Booster Shots


People who have received the company’s one-shot vaccine may benefit from a booster with another brand. F.D.A. advisers will discuss the data on Friday.

In a study conducted by the National Institutes of Health, researchers organized nine groups of roughly 50 people each. Each group received one of the three authorized vaccines, followed by a booster. In three groups, volunteers received the same vaccine for a boost. In the other six, they switched to a different brand.

The researchers found that those who got a Johnson & Johnson shot followed by a Moderna booster saw their antibody levels rise 76-fold within 15 days, whereas those who received another dose of Johnson & Johnson saw only a fourfold rise in the same period. A Pfizer-BioNTech booster shot raised antibody levels in Johnson & Johnson recipients 35-fold.

At what point do they just stop offering J&J at all? It's clearly the Walmart version of Covid protection. There's mRNA doses being thrown out every day - just let us J&J folks get a booster of Moderna already.

[RhodyYanksFan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/u...sters-fda.html

The Food and Drug Administration’s vaccine advisory panel unanimously voted on Friday to recommend authorizing booster shots of Johnson & Johnson’s one-dose coronavirus vaccine for people 18 years or older, at least two months after the first dose.

Sounds like us J&J folks might become fully eligible for boosters regardless of age next week. However,

Before the vote, a top federal health official, Dr. Peter Marks, said that the agency may consider regulatory action that would allow Johnson & Johnson recipients to receive a booster shot of Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccines. But Dr. Marks, who oversees the F.D.A.’s vaccine division, gave no timetable for any decision, saying only that authorization of the use of a different vaccine as a booster for Johnson & Johnson recipients was “possible.”

So if you were in my shoes would you get a J&J booster ASAP or wait to see if maybe they allow mix and match with Moderna at some point in the future?

[ojo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/u...sters-fda.html



Sounds like us J&J folks might become fully eligible for boosters regardless of age next week. However,



So if you were in my shoes would you get a J&J booster ASAP or wait to see if maybe they allow mix and match with Moderna at some point in the future?

We're looking at boosters for the foreseeable future, right? So why wait on something that may or may not be approved, when you can just get the J&J booster now? In other words, once they figure out the efficacy of a mixed/matched booster combination, you may need another booster anyway.

[ajra21]

That was a weak attempt at sarcasm. Again, if someone doesn't "trust" the medical science, what are they doing in a medical treatment facility? They don't believe the prevention will be effective; why do they think the treatment will be? They shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If you dismiss the recommendation of the experts, you shouldn't be allowed to seek out those same experts when you discover that maybe they were right in the first place.

They are morons and/or hypocrites.

The easiest question I've answered all week.

[RhodyYanksFan]

I like to think of myself as pro-union, but then I read about police unions and it's difficult to square that circle. They're now activly telling their members to just ignore vaccine mandates - most times being the only department or union in these cities doing so. Some might even call them snowflake crybabies. Police officers probably have the most interaction with the public of any municipal employee - they absolutely should be vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/u...366380c17626c6

John Catanzara, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police in Chicago, has urged police officers there to ignore requirements by the mayor, Lori Lightfoot, that city employees report their vaccination status. Employees who are not vaccinated will be subject to twice-weekly testing, but vaccinations are not mandatory.

More than 460 American law enforcement officers have died from Covid infections, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page, making the coronavirus by far the most common cause of duty-related deaths in 2020 and 2021. More than four times as many officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire in that period.

Some elected officials say police officers have a higher responsibility to get vaccinated because they regularly interact with the public and could unknowingly spread the virus.

Ms. Lightfoot said in a statement this week that she “cannot and will not stand idly by while the rhetoric of conspiracy theorists threatens the health and safety of Chicago’s residents and first responders.”

[Texsahara]

I like to think of myself as pro-union, but then I read about police unions and it's difficult to square that circle. They're not activly telling their members to just ignore vaccine mandates - most times being the only department or union in these cities doing so. Some might even call them snowflake crybabies. Police officers probably have the most interaction with the public of any municipal employee - they absolutely should be vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/u...366380c17626c6

Police unions need to be busted.

[YankeePride1967]

Not surprised. Cops have never had to follow the rules like us regular citizens

[YankeePride1967]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...748603912?s=21

since the covid pandemic started, five times the number of cops have died from covid than any other way, yet almost half are not vaccinated. How are we supposed to “back the blue” when they won’t back themselves?

[Donnybaseball72]

RIP Colin Powell. Fully vaccinated and died from complications from COVID at 84.

[False1]

I like to think of myself as pro-union, but then I read about police unions and it's difficult to square that circle. They're now activly telling their members to just ignore vaccine mandates - most times being the only department or union in these cities doing so. Some might even call them snowflake crybabies. Police officers probably have the most interaction with the public of any municipal employee - they absolutely should be vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/u...366380c17626c6

Yeah, that union guidance is dumb. And the NYT is right to make that point. I hate how they're doing it though.

More than 460 American law enforcement officers have died from Covid infections, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page, making the coronavirus by far the most common cause of duty-related deaths in 2020 and 2021.

First, I think it's tenuous at best to by default say all deaths from covid among officers are "duty-related." I'm sure that's FAR from true. I looked for information on how that determination was made in the link in the NTY article, but couldn't find anything.

Second, there are roughly 700k full time LEO's in the US. With 460 deaths dating back to 2020, that would amount to a 66 deaths per 100k rate among LEO's over the 22 months since. Even if you assume all of those were in fact duty related, that's less than the death per 100k rate for all US citizens. Using 330MM US citizens and the 631k covid-related deaths through August 25, 2021 you get a death per 100k rate of 191.

I support the message, but they need to do a better job of using facts and data and showing their methodology. Otherwise, they leave it open as a stick to discredit the message.

[jlw1980]

RIP Colin Powell. Fully vaccinated and died from complications from COVID at 84.

He was 84 and had cancer, sadly. He died because a lot of selfish people are not vaccinated.