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    Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
    The media didn’t want you to know



    news4jax.com
    Reporting positive cases alone at this point doesn't make a lot of sense to me. We need cases, percentage vaccinated, hospitalizations, etc to fully understand what's going on. Data collection has not been great though so it's hard to get the full picture.

    (but I got your reason for posting it)
    Last edited by Texsahara; 12-25-21, 09:17 AM.

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      Originally posted by jlw1980 View Post

      #1 does not surprise me at all.
      Originally posted by jlw1980
      And lots of unmasked, unvaccinated people.
      Of course it doesn't surprise you. Because you have a personal resentment towards faith, so those people must be inherently bad.

      It can't be that based on various studies somewhere between 2 in 10 and 3 in 10 Americans are back to attending weekly faith-based services in person again. It MUST be because they're antivaxxers and unmaskers and just lesser people.

      Except there's some evidence that people of faith as a whole aren't this mass of ignorance that you categorize them as. Sorry to disappoint you, but according to this Pew study the Catholic you bump into is more likely to be vaccinated than the random unaffiliated person on the street.

      PS_2021.09.15_covid19-restrictions_A-01.png

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        I would expect churches and other indoor worship places to be high spreaders for the following reasons.
        you have a lot of people indoors with not much chance for social distancing
        many places of worship do not have the best ventilation systems
        there is a a fair amount of singing that goes on in many congrations
        some faiths have hand shaking as part of their rituals
        you are together in doors generally for 45 minutes to 2 hours depending on the denomination and service
        most Christian faiths have some sort of Eucharist service

        for all those reasons it’s not surprising that places of worship are high spreaders regardless of vaccination rates or mask usage both which would mitigate but not eliminate the spread.
        Baseball is life;
        the rest is just details.

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          At the height of the pandemic earlier this year the archdiocese in my area required social distancing and masks. Reservations were needed to assure a seat because of seating limitations. Those restrictions were lifted during the summer ( while encouraging mask wearing and whenever possible social distancing) but I wouldn't be surprised to see them reinstituted. YMMV at other dioceses.
          You wanna know what? You gotta problem with Luis Cessa, you gotta problem with me. And I suggest you let that one marinate

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            The bigger takeaway from that chart is that evangelicals are 4.5 x more likely to be unvaxxed than atheists.

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              Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
              I would expect churches and other indoor worship places to be high spreaders for the following reasons.
              you have a lot of people indoors with not much chance for social distancing
              many places of worship do not have the best ventilation systems
              there is a a fair amount of singing that goes on in many congrations
              some faiths have hand shaking as part of their rituals
              you are together in doors generally for 45 minutes to 2 hours depending on the denomination and service
              most Christian faiths have some sort of Eucharist service

              for all those reasons it’s not surprising that places of worship are high spreaders regardless of vaccination rates or mask usage both which would mitigate but not eliminate the spread.
              Precisely. Even in some instances hugging when sharing the rite of peace is probably still a thing and returning to form with the passing of time. Plenty of reasons that worship services could be events where spreading is a concern. These aren't the ones that were being referred to though, clearly, as indicated by the follow up post.

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                Originally posted by False1 View Post
                Precisely. Even in some instances hugging when sharing the rite of peace is probably still a thing and returning to form with the passing of time. Plenty of reasons that worship services could be events where spreading is a concern. These aren't the ones that were being referred to though, clearly, as indicated by the follow up post.
                I honestly don’t know what percentage of regular church goers are vaccinated and what percentage wear masks, I suspect It Varies by region. And I know you were addressing Jen and not me.

                I do know a large conservative group I believe at something of a religious gathering many who are anti-vaccine and anti-mask recently had a large COVID out break and tried to blame it on bio weapons attack of anthrax. I believe at least one prominent member who has been out skies against both vaccines and masks is now on a ventilator in the ICU, and all too common story.

                Baseball is life;
                the rest is just details.

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                  Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
                  The bigger takeaway from that chart is that evangelicals are 4.5 x more likely to be unvaxxed than atheists.
                  It's depressing.
                  Nearly one-quarter say they won’t get the shot, a new study finds, and health officials say persuading them is crucial to slowing the Delta variant’s spread.
                  "Our work continues, the fight goes on, and the big dreams never die." -- Elizabeth Warren

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                    Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
                    I honestly don’t know what percentage of regular church goers are vaccinated and what percentage wear masks, I suspect It Varies by region. And I know you were addressing Jen and not me.

                    I do know a large conservative group I believe at something of a religious gathering many who are anti-vaccine and anti-mask recently had a large COVID out break and tried to blame it on bio weapons attack of anthrax. I believe at least one prominent member who has been out skies against both vaccines and masks is now on a ventilator in the ICU, and all too common story.
                    That poll data give you an indication. I'm sure it does greatly vary by region, by denomination, by individual spiritual leader. But the backhanded comment wasn't directed at a specific place of worship or a specific pastor that loudly and proudly denounces the vaccine or calls the pandemic a hoax.

                    The example you shared above is one that is indeed ironic, but I don't see how it's any more meaningful a representation of all those who practice religion than a one-off where a vocal vaccine supporter who doesn't practice religion dies from adverse affects of the vaccine.

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                      Originally posted by jlw1980 View Post

                      It's depressing.
                      A lot of them say God will protect them. Well what if the vaccine is God’s way f protecting them? (Not speaking to you of course but to the evangelists).

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                        Originally posted by False1 View Post
                        That poll data give you an indication. I'm sure it does greatly vary by region, by denomination, by individual spiritual leader. But the backhanded comment wasn't directed at a specific place of worship or a specific pastor that loudly and proudly denounces the vaccine or calls the pandemic a hoax.

                        The example you shared above is one that is indeed ironic, but I don't see how it's any more meaningful a representation of all those who practice religion than a one-off where a vocal vaccine supporter who doesn't practice religion dies from adverse affects of the vaccine.
                        There are over 815k deaths from COVID in the US which is likely an under count. Deaths do happen from vaccines it’s one of the rare side effects. As of November 2, VERES had reported 14k of 223m who received the vaccine died in window after being vaccinated but cause of death of those 14k is not reported and most died from something other than the vaccine so I fail to see how your counter example has any relevance.
                        Baseball is life;
                        the rest is just details.

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                          Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post

                          There are over 815k deaths from COVID in the US which is likely an under count. Deaths do happen from vaccines it’s one of the rare side effects. As of November 2, VERES had reported 14k of 223m who received the vaccine died in window after being vaccinated but cause of death of those 14k is not reported and most died from something other than the vaccine so I fail to see how your counter example has any relevance.
                          Deaths from vaccines are rare. The point of the comparison is that while deaths of evangelists that stimulate large anti-vaxx stances may amuse some people they are really social media fodder and are also rare. My primary point was that pulling out one-off instances of a person of faith who didn't vaxx and died from covid is not representative of anything, and that poll result would seem to support that position.


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                            Originally posted by False1 View Post



                            Of course it doesn't surprise you. Because you have a personal resentment towards faith, so those people must be inherently bad.

                            It can't be that based on various studies somewhere between 2 in 10 and 3 in 10 Americans are back to attending weekly faith-based services in person again. It MUST be because they're antivaxxers and unmaskers and just lesser people.

                            Except there's some evidence that people of faith as a whole aren't this mass of ignorance that you categorize them as. Sorry to disappoint you, but according to this Pew study the Catholic you bump into is more likely to be vaccinated than the random unaffiliated person on the street.

                            PS_2021.09.15_covid19-restrictions_A-01.png
                            Odd that you would put stock in that poll. It's informative only on the most basic level. By only using professed religious affiliation, only including a couple of Christian sects and atheists as the "other religious groups", and not adding any additional banding by church attendance, age, mitigation requirements, etc, it is exactly the kind of poll you've professed to hate in the past. Yet here we are. I wonder why.

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                              Originally posted by philleotardo View Post
                              The bigger takeaway from that chart is that evangelicals are 4.5 x more likely to be unvaxxed than atheists.
                              The most surprising thing, though, is that Catholics are more likely to be vaxed than unaffiliateds, and almost twice as likely to be vaxed as Protestants.
                              Polite Red Sox fan

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                                Originally posted by HfxBob View Post

                                The most surprising thing, though, is that Catholics are more likely to be vaxed than unaffiliateds, and almost twice as likely to be vaxed as Protestants.
                                Why is it surprising? The Pope told his followers to get the Vaccine. Catholics also tend to be more prominent in high Vaccination states like the Northeast.
                                http://vimel.ru/e6748

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