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Originally posted by HfxBob View Post
I agree with that point, but the most uncomfortable part of the lab leak in this case is that we're dealing with a nuclear superpower whose leader has been saying some threatening things about the West and who responds very badly whenever the lab leak possibility is raised.Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
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Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
I’m not sure I see the relevance of China’s nuclear capability in relation to COVID unless you are suggesting nuking the disease like they did in the Last of Us, but that’s a sci fi show based on a video game.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by HfxBob View Post
I thought the point was kind of obvious. The threat of war with China is not all that far-fetched.Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
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Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
Sure, but how is it related to COVID. It seems much more based on ideology differences and competing economic goals and who has control of what. COVID in relation to that sounds like a Red Herring.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by HfxBob View Post
The question is what do we do if it turns out that it COVID came from a lab leak and China covered it up? How can they be "held accountable", as the buzz phrase has it?Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
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Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
If you are asking them for for money, good luck with that.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by HfxBob View Post
The question is what do we do if it turns out that it COVID came from a lab leak and China covered it up? How can they be "held accountable", as the buzz phrase has it?
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Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
With a documented history of origin in markets.
OK, there’s an Acme nail factory across the street. There’s also a Home Depot a block away. Home Depot, Lowe’s, Ace - there are a million hardware megastores, and only a few factories. But there’s only one megastore right there, and that’s the significant factor. Having a million other irrelevant markets doesn’t affect the odds.
I'm not trying to convince you John. I'm just explaining why I'm placing my bets where I am, and again just rejecting the nonsense of accusing anyone who believed then or now that lab leak was plausible was some conspiracy theorist.
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Originally posted by Texsahara View Post
I do not find a natural origin at all more comfortable. Lab leaks happen. When they do, steps are taken to prevent them from happening again. Deadly viruses jumping from animals to humans in the wild have no such mitigation.
Also, I didn't dig deep on this admittedly but it doesn't appear that labs are really taking steps to prevent leaks from a review of a few articles. Even BSL-4s like the one in question.
All that said, I agree that individually I'd feel no better knowing that this was a natural event versus a human made one in terms of probability of a future event.
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Originally posted by False1 View PostExcept the Acme nail factory makes Acme nails, and the Home Depot and Lowe's don't have Acme nails. And the parent company of Acme burns down the Home Depot - the one that could plausibly offer evidence that it wasn't Acme's fault if it was allowed to be investigated - and refuses any request to inspect the Acme factory.
I'm not trying to convince you John. I'm just explaining why I'm placing my bets where I am, and again just rejecting the nonsense of accusing anyone who believed then or now that lab leak was plausible was some conspiracy theorist.Russian warship, go **** yourself
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Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
And I’m just saying that having many labs markets across the country is irrelevant to figuring the odds. It’s a variant of the Monty Hall problem.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by False1 View PostI presume Bob meant much more comfortable diplomatically. Which is undeniably true. The rage against China, particularly in 2020 when loved ones across the globe were dying and hope was strained and economies were shutting down, would have created immense pressure to seek retribution. This is a benefit of delaying root cause determination, for both the party that might be viewed as liable for the tragedy as well as the various parties that would be looked to for justice.
Also, I didn't dig deep on this admittedly but it doesn't appear that labs are really taking steps to prevent leaks from a review of a few articles. Even BSL-4s like the one in question.
All that said, I agree that individually I'd feel no better knowing that this was a natural event versus a human made one in terms of probability of a future event.
In the meantime, as you suggest, there doesn't appear to be any indication that COVID has done much to make an issue of the dangers inherent in these labs.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by Texsahara View Post
I would suggest proposing working together on ways to prevent this from happening again. "Holding them accountable" accomplishes nothing.Polite Red Sox fan
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Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post
And I’m just saying that having many labs markets across the country is irrelevant to figuring the odds. It’s a variant of the Monty Hall problem.
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