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    #181
    Originally posted by Donnybaseball72 View Post

    100% agree on everything here. Good posters are being turned off making the main forum downright depressing. I've tried addressing it but it gets ignored and goes nowhere. Instead I get censored.
    over and over and over and over and over. It's sure limiting my participation.
    Yes, I have noticed your posts at times, where you make an attempt to reduce the negativity. There are a couple of others who also rise above it. It seems hopeless though. And it is a shame. These Minors boards, for example, used to be so much more active. But several of the posters no longer post, or rarely do, because of what is going on with the Regular Season thread. Used to be the most negativity was in the Game Forum threads, nut now it has spread to almost everything here.

    I am very sorry that this has happened. This was, at one time, a super enjoyable site to visit several times a day. Now? Not any longer. The enjoyment has gone away.
    I respect your views on this, and also your efforts to remain positive in general. Never a bad outlook on anything, baseball included. But I guess I just don't see this? Is the inference that there were fewer posts that weren't positive on this forum in 2013 than now? 2014? 15? 16? I doubt it. In fact, I'm willing to bet especially early in that window it was actually far worse. I mean, you can go back and look but I assure you that in '16 there were few to no positive posts about Tex, Castro, Headley, Ells, A-Rod, Pineda, Eovaldi, Nova, etc. Certainly Girardi was getting dragged at the time. And the FO was not spared then either.

    That certainly changed in '17. They had a new crop of young talent bust on the scene. They finally traded some elite rentals for chips to radically alter the outlook of the farm. They were not only getting into the playoffs but in spite of being underdogs they were competing with other elite teams. Then, they fired Girardi, hired Boone, had a strong '18 campaign that ended poorly in a 3-1 defeat in the ALDS to our hated rivals, had another strong '19 but lost in the ALCS, then COVID, and now... well, now there's 2021 and it hasn't been a very positive season and more importantly IMHO a very exciting season (at least in aggregate, although it does seem to be picking up).

    I too notice the disappearance of some valued posters. My hypothesis however is that it is not because of some radical surge in the volume of negative posting. Any sports forum is going to have fans that are happy about a given topic at a given moment and some that are not. I would further opine that it is a reduction in volume of positive posting, and that is a byproduct of a team that has of late altered it's model and approach, that will not commit to the investment commensurate with the level of fan investment, that has shied away from true star talent (e.g. Harper, Machado, etc) and that seems to have had it's young, exciting core regress, get injured or get misused.

    I think this frustration is being misplaced on the members of this community, and really should be directed to the FO.

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      #182
      Originally posted by False1 View Post



      I respect your views on this, and also your efforts to remain positive in general. Never a bad outlook on anything, baseball included. But I guess I just don't see this? Is the inference that there were fewer posts that weren't positive on this forum in 2013 than now? 2014? 15? 16? I doubt it. In fact, I'm willing to bet especially early in that window it was actually far worse. I mean, you can go back and look but I assure you that in '16 there were few to no positive posts about Tex, Castro, Headley, Ells, A-Rod, Pineda, Eovaldi, Nova, etc. Certainly Girardi was getting dragged at the time. And the FO was not spared then either.

      That certainly changed in '17. They had a new crop of young talent bust on the scene. They finally traded some elite rentals for chips to radically alter the outlook of the farm. They were not only getting into the playoffs but in spite of being underdogs they were competing with other elite teams. Then, they fired Girardi, hired Boone, had a strong '18 campaign that ended poorly in a 3-1 defeat in the ALDS to our hated rivals, had another strong '19 but lost in the ALCS, then COVID, and now... well, now there's 2021 and it hasn't been a very positive season and more importantly IMHO a very exciting season (at least in aggregate, although it does seem to be picking up).

      I too notice the disappearance of some valued posters. My hypothesis however is that it is not because of some radical surge in the volume of negative posting. Any sports forum is going to have fans that are happy about a given topic at a given moment and some that are not. I would further opine that it is a reduction in volume of positive posting, and that is a byproduct of a team that has of late altered it's model and approach, that will not commit to the investment commensurate with the level of fan investment, that has shied away from true star talent (e.g. Harper, Machado, etc) and that seems to have had it's young, exciting core regress, get injured or get misused.

      I think this frustration is being misplaced on the members of this community, and really should be directed to the FO.
      The difference between say 2013 and now on this forum is that there was less blame on the front office and more on the players when things went sour. Now it is a full on assault on Cashman anyone else in charge. Another difference between then and now is that now there is a gang mentality where you must fit the negativity narrative and if you do not you are not taken seriously or you are a fan that just doesn't get it. But the biggest difference between that time period and the last 2-3 years is that back then you could freely challenge someone opinion while now you get scolded and threatened

      Our frustration with what has happened to this forum has nothing to do with the front office.
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      • rajah
        #182.1
        rajah commented
        05-21-21, 04:44 PM
        Editing a comment
        I pretty much agree Donny, though there has always been ridicule on the forum for anyone who defends the FO. But what you describe is why I seldom come here any more and have not posted in a while until a few posts today. I do learn from this ML thread. It is generally much better than ITL, with great posters like Snatch Catch.
      #183
      Originally posted by Donnybaseball72 View Post

      The difference between say 2013 and now on this forum is that there was less blame on the front office and more on the players when things went sour. Now it is a full on assault on Cashman anyone else in charge. Another difference between then and now is that now there is a gang mentality where you must fit the negativity narrative and if you do not you are not taken seriously or you are a fan that just doesn't get it. But the biggest difference between that time period and the last 2-3 years is that back then you could freely challenge someone opinion while now you get scolded and threatened

      Our frustration with what has happened to this forum has nothing to do with the front office.
      Again I just don't see this at all, and this comes from someone that has backed Cashman and the FO from what I'd felt were unfair attacks for eons - although even my patience has basically worn out. I know you and I have had discussions on this before. I'm bummed that you feel like the forum is a lesser place of enjoyment for you than in years past. I disagree with you, and think the cause of the waning interest from some valued posters has a different root, but either way I hope your enjoyment level comes back and that it coincides with some good baseball from the team we all root for.

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        #184
        Not a typo...

        Otto: 5.1 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 14 K
        Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA

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          #185
          Originally posted by Snatch Catch View Post
          Not a typo...

          Otto: 5.1 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 14 K
          Wow... The 14 Ks in 5.1 is insano, but perhaps the even better sign is the sole BB in those 5.1 IP. I haven't followed Otto too closely, but I think his big concern has always been control, right? That's a sick line regardless.

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            #186
            Originally posted by False1 View Post
            Again I just don't see this at all, and this comes from someone that has backed Cashman and the FO from what I'd felt were unfair attacks for eons
            You're responding to what, 3 different people tell you that relentless negativity has made the forum less enjoyable? What's not to see? To me, it seems like many don't enjoy baseball the same anymore - even the wins seem to upset people. Imagine if the Yankees had had a losing season in the past 30 years.

            We all know they are a flawed team, but these days flawed (but still talented) seems to mean worthy of constant sneering derision. It feels like a political argument rather than one about a sport for enjoyment (one we go to to escape politics for a minute). You can't win them all... but you CAN complain about them all. People obviously are free to do that, just not as fun to take part in.

            All that said... cool about Glenn Otto. I'm assuming age 25 in AA means that he's a semi-longshot to be a real MLB starter, but 14Ks out of 16 outs / 19 total batters faced is intense.
            Last edited by Jace; 05-21-21, 11:37 AM.

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              #187
              Originally posted by roysuniverse View Post
              Medina: 5 2/3 IP 1 H 1 ER 2 BB 11 K
              Along with Luis Gil, it feels like the switch has gone on with both. Really exciting times.

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                #188
                Originally posted by b_joseph View Post

                Along with Luis Gil, it feels like the switch has gone on with both. Really exciting times.
                I agree. Gil and Medina are a couple of guys who could wind up better than Deivi Garcia IMO. Exciting times may very well be ahead.
                "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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                  #189
                  Originally posted by Jace View Post
                  You can't win them all... but you CAN complain about them all. People obviously are free to do that, just not as fun to take part in.
                  I think this captures my feelings exactly.

                  "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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                    #190
                    Originally posted by Jace View Post

                    You're responding to what, 3 different people tell you that relentless negativity has made the forum less enjoyable? What's not to see? To me, it seems like many of these people don't quite enjoy baseball anymore. Imagine if the Yankees had had a losing season in the past 30 years.

                    We all know they are a flawed team, but these days flawed (but still talented) seems to mean worthy of constant sneering derision. It feels like a political argument rather than one about a sport for enjoyment (one we go to to escape politics for a minute). You can't win them all... but you CAN complain about them all. People obviously are free to do that, just not as fun to take part in.

                    All that said... cool about Glenn Otto. I'm assuming age 25 in AA means that he's a semi-longshot to be a real MLB starter, but 14Ks out of 16 outs / 19 total batters faced is intense.
                    What is Otto's stuff like? Is it legit to get major league batters out or is he using his experience to get the AA batters out?
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                      #191
                      Originally posted by sjb23 View Post

                      I agree. Gil and Medina are a couple of guys who could wind up better than Deivi Garcia IMO. Exciting times may very well be ahead.
                      I like Gill and Medina also, I just don't want them to blow up with they get to the upper levels. I think we have seen a lot of prospects who were amazing in the lower minors but couldn't hack in the upper levels. Both need to improve their command/control if they want to succeed.
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                        #192
                        Originally posted by ppa79 View Post

                        I like Gill and Medina also, I just don't want them to blow up with they get to the upper levels. I think we have seen a lot of prospects who were amazing in the lower minors but couldn't hack in the upper levels. Both need to improve their command/control if they want to succeed.
                        I agree with your last sentence. They both need a full season @ Scranton/Somerset IMO - I'll be watching them closely
                        "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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                          #193
                          Originally posted by sjb23 View Post


                          over and over and over and over and over. It's sure limiting my participation.
                          Agreed. I am down to checking in about once a week, and it is usually just to check this thread.

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                            #194
                            Originally posted by sjb23 View Post
                            I think this captures my feelings exactly.
                            There's just a joylessness to it. It reminds me of what it was like to follow the Knicks, but the Knicks were one of the worst NBA teams for nearly 20 straight years while the Yankees were one of the best in MLB. Just weird.

                            Originally posted by ppa79
                            What is Otto's stuff like? Is it legit to get major league batters out or is he using his experience to get the AA batters out?
                            Most of what I know about Otto's current stuff is from this article (only a month old):

                            https://www.pinstripealley.com/2021/...somerset-tampa

                            He's got a good fastball and an inconsistent but potentially above average (or even plus) curveball. Unfortunately it sounds like the changeup is fringy and his command is below average, so most likely he's going to be a reliever, but he's got real stuff and a chance to start.
                            Last edited by Jace; 05-21-21, 12:38 PM.

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                              #195
                              Luis Gil: 4.2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 9 K

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