2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[matt2351]

Funny how we all read the same articles and take away different conclusions. The couple of articles I read on the Cole/Gardner episode, left me with the impression that Cole is sort of a red ass, prima donna, and over reacted to some clubhouse joking around. I'm sure many here will disagree with me because Gardner.

Perhaps folks have good cause to not to like Gardner and it's not reflexive and irrational. These antics are not new. I think Cole should be commended for only yelling at Gardner.

[twsalso]

Time will tell whether or not the trade for Roughned Odor was worth it. The minor league centerfielder the yankees gave up hit 20 home runs and had 20 stolen bases. Maybe it was Joely Rodriguez that tipped the scales.

I know one thing. Brian Cashman does not know when to hold ‘em and when to fold’em.

https://twitter.com/ridersbaseball/s...026794501?s=21

[JDPNYY]

Time will tell whether or not the trade for Roughned Odor was worth it. The minor league centerfielder the yankees gave up hit 20 home runs and had 20 stolen bases. Maybe it was Joely Rodriguez that tipped the scales.

I know one thing. Brian Cashman does not know when to hold ‘em and when to fold’em.

https://twitter.com/ridersbaseball/s...026794501?s=21

Towers was a possible contender for future Gardner playing time. He had to go.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

Perhaps folks have good cause to not to like Gardner and it's not reflexive and irrational. These antics are not new. I think Cole should be commended for only yelling at Gardner.

Let's be blunt: if he pulled that on Roger Clemens or Kevin Brown, either would have folded him into a pretzel on the spot.

[jnewmark]

Perhaps folks have good cause to not to like Gardner and it's not reflexive and irrational. These antics are not new. I think Cole should be commended for only yelling at Gardner.

Meh, from what I've read about Gardner, he is very well liked in the clubhouse, and known for keeping things " loose ". I'm sure this type of horsing around goes on in every clubhouse. Some guys can take it, some guys can't. No need to get in to a fight about it. But, I guess it gives everyone another excuse to dislike Gardner.

[sd.]

Let's tackle another issue with this story. Klapish is Cashmans boy. He wrote his book.

What is the point of a story like this that makes Cole look bad, Judge look bad, Gallo look bad, and Boone look bad right now?

[matt2351]

Meh, from what I've read about Gardner, he is very well liked in the clubhouse, and known for keeping things " loose ". I'm sure this type of horsing around goes on in every clubhouse. But, I guess it gives everyone another excuse to dislike Gardner.

Perhaps those of us who have come to dislike him aren't OK with him hazing and mocking other players. I'm highly suspect of anything that says that Gardner is liked. I played sports with people who did stuff like Gardner has been reported to have done and teammates would say they were OK with it until you pressed them on it and then they would say they thought it wasn't cool and that they didn't like the "prankster."

We don't permit hazing and mockery here, I guess we should start letting folks do that to keep things "loose."

[jnewmark]

Perhaps those of us who have come to dislike him aren't OK with him hazing and mocking other players. I'm highly suspect of anything that says that Gardner is liked. I played sports with people who did stuff like Gardner has been reported to have done and teammates would say they were OK with it until you pressed them on it and then they would say they thought it wasn't cool and that they didn't like the "prankster."

We don't permit hazing and mockery here, I guess we should start letting folks do that to keep things "loose."

" hazing " ? I think that's a bit strong; its not a frat house in that clubhouse, and if you are comparing it to frat house hazing, I think that's over the line.

[Roberto Kelly]

Meh, from what I've read about Gardner, he is very well liked in the clubhouse, and known for keeping things " loose ". I'm sure this type of horsing around goes on in every clubhouse. Some guys can take it, some guys can't. No need to get in to a fight about it. But, I guess it gives everyone another excuse to dislike Gardner.

Picking on new players, rookies, etc doesnt keep things loose. It has the opposite effect actually

[jnewmark]

Let's tackle another issue with this story. Klapish is Cashmans boy. He wrote his book.

What is the point of a story like this that makes Cole look bad, Judge look bad, Gallo look bad, and Boone look bad right now?

I don't know; Klapish wrote an article just a week ago about how the re-hiring of Boone was an indication that its status quo and disappointing for 2022. That doesn't sound like a Cashman puppet talking to me, but, I don't read his stuff much.

[matt2351]

" hazing " ? I think that's a bit strong; its not a frat house in that clubhouse, and if you are comparing it to frat house hazing, I think that's over the line.

I am referring to Gardner's antics towards other players - Tyler Wade, etc. If you don't see that as hazing then we have different definitions of that word..

[ojo]

Hazing is an umbrella term. One need not die from alcohol poisoning to have suffered the uh, ‘ritual’ act of hazing.

[sd.]

I don't know; Klapish wrote an article just a week ago about how the re-hiring of Boone was an indication that its status quo and disappointing for 2022. That doesn't sound like a Cashman puppet talking to me, but, I don't read his stuff much.

Fair point. I don't read him frequently either. Maybe it is just as simple as the old dynamic is no longer in play.

[matt2351]

Hazing is an umbrella term. One need not die from alcohol poisoning to have suffered the uh, ‘ritual’ act of hazing.

Thank you.

[sd.]

I am referring to Gardner's antics towards other players - Tyler Wade, etc. If you don't see that as hazing then we have different definitions of that word..

Which one was the Gardner - Tyler Wade hazing story again?