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Originally posted by matt2351 View Post
He didn't scam "us." His use of performance enhancing foreign substance duped Cashman. Sounds like you might want to direct that anger towards the person whose job it is to vet these things.
Im not a fan of Cashman or Cole, a good GM would have seen the sticky stuff situation coming, and Cole shouldnt have taken the cheating up to the next level like he did. Screw them both.
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Originally posted by Paul Zuvella View Post
Well I was hoping we signed him, not sure if you were or not, so he tricked both Cashman and I, which is “us”
Im not a fan of Cashman or Cole, a good GM would have seen the sticky stuff situation coming, and Cole shouldnt have taken the cheating up to the next level like he did. Screw them both.
I'd love to see Cashman's portfolio. He absolutely does not believe in hedging for any risk. Not injury, not cheating (how many PED players did he sign in their prime only to have the rug pulled out from under him like it did with Cole and ST), not performance- nothing. His model accounts for none of that. Everyone will stay healthy, everyone will have a perfect career year and etc.
Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? Cashman: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.
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Originally posted by primetime714 View Post
We all knew about it here, it would be shocking if it wasn't accounted for in their evaluation of him. Which means they have to feel confident he's a top tier pitcher regardless of substances. Either that or they totally underestimated a reactive commissioner that gives no real second thought to changing the game on a whim.
I may be wrong, but I still like Cole as a top tier pitcher going forward. His intelligence, determination and physical abilities are rivaled by few pitchers in the game. He'll do what he has to be great, including taking advantage of trends, advantages and other oversights in the game. Hard for him to adjust mid-season given how poorly the rule change was managed and he actually did a decent job of adapting pre-injury considering everything.
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Originally posted by Mixwell View Post
There's no way he knows that before free agency starts. I promise you Seager doesn't even know where he's playing next year yet.
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Does anyone else see a conflict between these two narratives?
Narrative #1 - "Cashman and the FO have access to information that we as fans don't have and therefore it is impossible for us to critique their decision-making."
Narrative #2 - "Cashman and the FO couldn't possibly have know about X or Y." X or Y in these cases being things that many folks on a message board called out before the fact and not retrospectively.
Again, I give props to the Cashman PR machine for staking out territory on all sides of every issue. This grants them the ability to never be seen as wrong and to muddy the waters to such a degree that no one knows which side is up - the ultimate effect is mass gaslighting.
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Originally posted by matt2351 View PostDoes anyone else see a conflict between these two narratives?
Narrative #1 - "Cashman and the FO have access to information that we as fans don't have and therefore it is impossible for us to critique their decision-making."
Narrative #2 - "Cashman and the FO couldn't possibly have know about X or Y." X or Y in these cases being things that many folks on a message board called out before the fact and not retrospectively.
Again, I give props to the Cashman PR machine for staking out territory on all sides of every issue. This grants them the ability to never be seen as wrong and to muddy the waters to such a degree that no one knows which side is up - the ultimate effect is mass gaslighting.
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Originally posted by ymike673 View Post
Too bad they can't build a Championship team as well as they can spin the bull."Leave it to Yankees fans to be upset at having too many great players.”—Hitman23
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Originally posted by primetime714 View Post
We all knew about it here, it would be shocking if it wasn't accounted for in their evaluation of him. Which means they have to feel confident he's a top tier pitcher regardless of substances. Either that or they totally underestimated a reactive commissioner that gives no real second thought to changing the game on a whim.
I may be wrong, but I still like Cole as a top tier pitcher going forward. His intelligence, determination and physical abilities are rivaled by few pitchers in the game. He'll do what he has to be great, including taking advantage of trends, advantages and other oversights in the game. Hard for him to adjust mid-season given how poorly the rule change was managed and he actually did a decent job of adapting pre-injury considering everything.Originally posted by sd. View Post
I really think it is the bolded one. I think we all knew something was off with the way the Astros made every pitcher drastically better, and we all knew what it was based on Bauer calling them out directly... we just expected Cole to keep doing it when he got here. Honestly, with the way he has handled everything, especially with the Astros sign stealing, I think it is impossible to predict what the commissioner is going to do, what he is going to care about, and when.
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Originally posted by matt2351 View PostDoes anyone else see a conflict between these two narratives?
Narrative #1 - "Cashman and the FO have access to information that we as fans don't have and therefore it is impossible for us to critique their decision-making."
Narrative #2 - "Cashman and the FO couldn't possibly have know about X or Y." X or Y in these cases being things that many folks on a message board called out before the fact and not retrospectively.
Again, I give props to the Cashman PR machine for staking out territory on all sides of every issue. This grants them the ability to never be seen as wrong and to muddy the waters to such a degree that no one knows which side is up - the ultimate effect is mass gaslighting.Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? Cashman: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.
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