2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[Portbb]

Well, here is how Merriam-Webster defines " crapshoot " : Something (such as a business venture) that has an unpredictable outcome. Maybe it depends on when you use the term? For example, the Braves had a more predictable outcome of wining the WS, last week, than they did at the trade deadline, when they had a 2% chance of even getting there.

Good point.
Shows how important the trade deadline is.

[ymike673]

Plus here's the bottom line for me.

Dodgers fans are probably disappointed that their team, favored by most, didn't win.

But after winning it all last year, they made a massive push to win for their fans again in the offseason and at the deadline. In spite of already having a strong roster.

Dodgers fans probably feel like ownership is as invested as their fan base is in competing. Must be nice.

Dodgers fans might be a little disappointed. But their front office improved their team even after they won the WS. They win 106 games that in virtually any other season gets you the division and home field throughout the playoffs. You could not predict another team in your own division winning 107 games.

[sjb23]

Here's my definitive definition of a "crapshoot" lol:

These are arguably the best 800 baseball players in the world. On any given day, a bunch of them can get together and beat another bunch of them. I'll agree that some crapshooters have a higher chance of winning. But they're all playing the same game - a game we can't predict, per John Sterling.

[sjb23]

Dodgers fans might be a little disappointed. But their front office improved their team even after they won the WS. They win 106 games that in virtually any other season gets you the division and home field throughout the playoffs. You could not predict another team in your own division winning 107 games.

The Flip Side: This organization wasted millions of dollars paying for a team that didn't live up to expectations. Perhaps there are Dodger fans who feel like their GM misalocated funds?

[jnewmark]

Here's my definitive definition of a "crapshoot" lol:

These are arguably the best 800 baseball players in the world. On any given day, a bunch of them can get together and beat another bunch of them. I'll agree that some crapshooters have a higher chance of winning. But they're all playing the same game - a game we can't predict, per John Sterling.

Yogi : " In baseball, you don't know nothin' ".

[bucky]

Subtraction by addition.

still curious about Warren rotting in AAA.

IMO. (he is 34, RHP, insurance) I did not follow the minors like I used to (did look at his numbers still good) but he was my warm comfort blanket 3 years ago (like Kuhule 2 years ago). What was important to me he was a long reliever for 2-3 innings (which we need - German?). It would have been nice to see him but (I think) we would purchase a contract and we already did it on others duds and we had Cessa and Greene. I feel he will/may retire.

[Obnoxio]

To me, Warren was putting up really good numbers for in AAA but was never given opportunity to help the ML team. Instead they traded for guys and overused Greene.
I just found it to be an odd strategy.

[ymike673]

The Flip Side: This organization wasted millions of dollars paying for a team that didn't live up to expectations. Perhaps there are Dodger fans who feel like their GM misalocated funds?

There is always a minority that well believe anything. I would think the vast majority of Dodgers fans are quite happy with how their front office has been running things. The Dodgers won 106 games.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

There is always a minority that well believe anything. I would think the vast majority of Dodgers fans are quite happy with how their front office has been running things. The Dodgers won 106 games.

3 NL Championships, 1 World Championship in 5 years. Pretty sure any fanbase would be pleased with that result.

[False1]

Well, here is how Merriam-Webster defines " crapshoot " : Something (such as a business venture) that has an unpredictable outcome. Maybe it depends on when you use the term? For example, the Braves had a more predictable outcome of wining the WS, last week, than they did at the trade deadline, when they had a 2% chance of even getting there.

The strict dictionary definition isn't really what's important. It's the context in which it is used.

Cashman uses it in the context of excusing the lack of creativity and commitment into putting the best possible product on the field. He wants the fanbase - the people that fuel the brand and the bottom line - to accept that since there is nothing he can do that absolutely guarantees that the Yankees win the WS every year that we should (quite literally, if you read some of his recent comments) just sit down, shut up, trust the process and stop having high expectations commensurate with the revenues we generate for this team. We should all reject that mentality, every time we see it and hear it, regardless of the opinions of Merriam or Webster.

[Mixwell]

3 NL Championships, 1 World Championship in 5 years. Pretty sure any fanbase would be pleased with that result.

Yep. I'd say anyone trying to compare a fan base with 3 pennants in 5 seasons to one that has none in 12 is reaching big time.

[sjb23]

If the Yanks go for one of the FA shortstops, would anyone here prefer Semien or Story over Correa or Seager soley because of term length/$$ ?

Do you think Correa and/or Seager sign for $300M or more?

[philleotardo]

If the Yanks go for one of the FA shortstops, would anyone here prefer Semien or Story over Correa or Seager soley because of term length/$$ ?

Do you think Correa and/or Seager sign for $300M or more?

No on the first one.

I would hope if no other team did, Cashman would go 10/300+ for Correa. Not even that big a risk at his age.

[sjb23]

No on the first one.

I would hope if no other team did, Cashman would go 10/300+ for Correa. Not even that big a risk at his age.

So I guess my followup question is do you think the Yanks (or any other team for that matter) should have 3 roster spots taken up by long-term/high dollar contracts? IMO I don't care how much the Yanks or Dodgers spend - but where do they draw a line in the sand?

[Strategerie]

If the Yanks go for one of the FA shortstops, would anyone here prefer Semien or Story over Correa or Seager soley because of term length/$$ ?

Do you think Correa and/or Seager sign for $300M or more?

I would absolutely be on board with signing someone like Semien or Story due to the cost/risk of these massive contracts (which almost never work out that well). Ignoring the projected cost, my ordering for the 4 are: Correa, Seager, Semien, Story (with Seager being the best fit for us due to the lefty bat, lack of cheater baggage, and maybe a lower price tag than Correa due to worse defense).

I do think the risk/reward may be better leaving some room for some subset of: Cabrera, Peraza, Volpe, Sweeney, ... to man the 2b, ss, 3b spots 2-3 years out (combined with the possibility of retaining incumbents like DJ, Gleyber, and Urshela). A shorter term, less upside, more stopgap solution would make a lot of sense to me depending on the contracts desired, the new CBA, the Yankees financial constraints,.... if I had to guess I think we will get one of the above 4 (in part due to brand management) but I'm not sure that's the wisest choice in the long run.