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**RoyWilliams** · 11-05-21, 07:41 PM

But i am still on record as thinking there will be a work stoppage and hopefully not go far into the season. But without knowing what the new cap is going to be i doubt when FA starts in 2 days much happens.

**philleotardo** · 11-05-21, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by False1 View Post

This would be outstanding, although I'd try to unload Hicks, play Stanton in LF and Gallo in CF and find a promising DH bat on the cheap.

Re: Olson, Jim Bowden is crazy. I would do backflips if Cashman pulled off a Voit, Gleyber and German for Olson deal. And I like Voit. But someone else would destroy that trade offer. Those three are really kind of castoffs from this team at this point (although Voit shouldn't be - he could be the DH solution for my prior comment but I presume he's gone). I think the A's might be interested in Gleyber and German to some extent, but you'd have to add real prospects on top to get that deal done.

So, in a prospective Olsen deal, would you consider Jasson? If the concerns about his ability to play CF are real, I think I would. I might try to get more moving parts so Manaea is part of it, but it would be a fair ask by the A’s. The effort to shed salary by some teams seems very real. I didn’t know initially that seven teams passed on claiming Miley for just money. That’s kind of shocking.

**False1** · 11-05-21, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by philleotardo View Post

So, in a prospective Olsen deal, would you consider Jasson? If the concerns about his ability to play CF are real, I think I would. I might try to get more moving parts so Manaea is part of it, but it would be a fair ask by the A’s. The effort to shed salary by some teams seems very real. I didn’t know initially that seven teams passed on claiming Miley for just money. That’s kind of shocking.

Hard to say, for me. He's far away, but it really depends a lot on what the boots on the ground saw up close. I'd say if their best talent evaluators think the ceiling is still there after a missed 2020 and a meh 2021, try to hold on to him and interest the A's in other pieces.

**Obnoxio** · 11-05-21, 10:32 PM

Whose evaluation said he can’t play CF?
if it was Yankees crew I have to wonder.

**JayMan92** · 11-05-21, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by philleotardo View Post

So, in a prospective Olsen deal, would you consider Jasson? If the concerns about his ability to play CF are real, I think I would. I might try to get more moving parts so Manaea is part of it, but it would be a fair ask by the A’s. The effort to shed salary by some teams seems very real. I didn’t know initially that seven teams passed on claiming Miley for just money. That’s kind of shocking.

2 years of service for any 1B is not worth a prospect of Dominguez's caliber.

**philleotardo** · 11-05-21, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by JayMan92 View Post

2 years of service for any 1B is not worth a prospect of Dominguez's caliber.

What if the lack of range/meh arm/long swing concerns are real?

**ThePinStripes** · 11-05-21, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by JayMan92 View Post

2 years of service for any 1B is not worth a prospect of Dominguez's caliber.

Yeah, maybe if the rays were developing him.

**kan_t** · 11-06-21, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by philleotardo View Post

So, in a prospective Olsen deal, would you consider Jasson? If the concerns about his ability to play CF are real, I think I would. I might try to get more moving parts so Manaea is part of it, but it would be a fair ask by the A’s. The effort to shed salary by some teams seems very real. I didn’t know initially that seven teams passed on claiming Miley for just money. That’s kind of shocking.

No. Jasson may flop in the future but I wouldn't spend 5.1m to a prospect just for trading him away after his first year playing in USA. He hasn't hit like Trout in the minor but he isn't overmatched either. No way for me to give him up this early.

**bucky** · 11-06-21, 07:13 AM

I still can't believe Miley pick up. The Reds couldn't trade him, got nothing, and 7 teams passed. I see Miley doesn't have a FB, K%, ?34 but he is good and develop a cutter which is my fav pitch. I disregard 2019 for many players. I would have jumped at this. I think of Cole (RHP) - Robbie Ray (my #2 target LHP) - Sevy (RHP) - Miley (LHP) - Taillon (RHP) - Monty (LHP) with Nasty Nestor as (sh*t happens,,long reliever, #6). I think Robbie Ray will get around 20M and 10M for a good LHP is good (30M). This is where I would spend money and a starting catcher (my #1 target).

**Paul Zuvella** · 11-06-21, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by newhampfan View Post

Yes, Cashman's argument for the return of Gardner, since Allen could've done what Gardner did and more. What a shame and lousy organization to let a talent just float away.

Would have loved to see Allen as our 4th outfielder

**Mixwell** · 11-06-21, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by hhill View Post

I AM HERE TO CHEER YOU GUYS UP...PER NJ NEWS(WE CAN DO THIS)

So, why not get a little crazy in the early hot stove season and imagine the Yankees pulling down the biggest shortstop prize in Correa and a first baseman who would fill their needs in Olaosn?

Here’s what that lineup could look like, with notes below.

1. DJ LeMahieu, 2B

2. Aaron Judge, RF

3. Giancarlo Stanton, DH

4. Matt Olson, 1B

5. Carlos Correa, SS

6. Joey Gallo, LF

7. Gary Sanchez, C

8. Aaron Hicks, CF

9. Gio Urshela, 3B

Adding Correa: Would the Yankees actually sign Correa, one of the stars from the cheating 2017 Houston Astros? If they want the best shortstop available on the free agent market, then yes. If they can’t look past the illegal sign-stealing stain, then no. But say they could: The Yankees badly need a shortstop, and Correa is definitely a better fielder than co-top free agent shortstop Corey Seager. He’s the better hitter, too. Of course, it’s entirely possible the Yankees grab a stopgap shortstop such as Andrelton Simmons and wait for prospects Anthony Volpe or Oswald Peraza to take over at the position. But Correa has said repeatedly throughout his career that Derek Jeter was his favorite player growing up, and in addition to money, there might be an emotional pull to the Bronx — even if its fans hate him right now.

Adding Olson: When the A’s let highly respected manager Bob Melvin walk to the Padres, some thought it might be the clearest signal of an oncoming sell off by Oakland. Then on Thursday, the A’s declined their team option on reliever Jake Diekman. It would have cost them just $4 million to keep Diekman, a lefty who had a 3.86 ERA in 67 games. So, it’s entirely possible the A’s could see Olson as a trade chip that could bring back a lot, and former Red GM Jim Bowden proposed in a piece for The Athletic that the Yankees acquire Olson in exchange for first baseman Luke Voit, second baseman Gleyber Torres and righty Domingo German. Would Oakland do it? Seems a bit light on the Yankees’ end, but it’s a starting point. Of course, in this scenario, the Yankees let Anthony Rizzo walk.

The catching situation: The Yankees are in a difficult spot at catcher, where for the second straight season backup Kyle Higashioka started to steal playing time from starter Gary Sanchez down the stretch because of his defensive prowess. MLB Trade Rumors projects that Sanchez will make $7.9 million in salary arbitration next year. Would the Yankees give it to him after yet another disappointing season at the plate (99 OPS+) and behind the dish? Well, there aren’t many better options in free agency, and the Yankees can at least confidently say they know what they’re getting from Sanchez at this point.

Knowing exactly what you get from Sanchez is a not a reason to keep him. It is the exact opposite of that.

**primetime714** · 11-06-21, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by ThePinStripes View Post

They'll make some sort of move, but it will be another incomplete, inadequate, half hearted move- much like what we saw at the trade deadline. Just enough to make news and get fans excited, not enough to make a difference.

I'm guessing a 2nd tier- maybe 1st because of the heat from this abysmal season- signing + aging veteran way past his prime reclamation project that was an allstar for his name they can pass off as a top tier signing to casual fans and corporate season ticket holders.

Rizzo definitely fits the bill. Matt Carpenter at 2B makes all the sense in the world because he'd be a horrible fit. Kyle Seager is 34 coming off a 4.0 WAR season now so that may work. Can Andrew McCutchen play CF? If so, he's basically a shoe in. Huge name, way past his prime, won't cost much money and he's played in NY.

And of course, he will count on a very sketchy rotation by completely disregarding huge risks for performance and/or injury in Cole, Severino, Gonzalez, German, Taillon and Monte.
1) Ignore Cole second half performance correlation to sticky stuff.
2) Severuno's 6.0 IP are strong evidence he will return to first half 2018 form (ignore second half. Bad data is bad luck/ anomaly, good data which agrees with our analytics is correct).
3) German is a lock to not only return to 2019 form but exceed it.
4) Nestor Cortez is obviously going to compete for a CY and upkeep his 1.075 WHIP/2.90ERA/148 ERA+,
5) Taillon and Monte will be back better than ever.

Take it to the bank. We believe in these guys.

Sadly this is spot on. My biggest worry for 2022 is that they don't do anything rotation wise. The offense will improve even if its just due to Manfred tweaking the ball again which you can almost bank on. This is not a playoff rotation for all the reasons you detailed.

**primetime714** · 11-06-21, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Mixwell View Post

Knowing exactly what you get from Sanchez is a not a reason to keep him. It is the exact opposite of that.

Agreed. Sanchez is an easy non-tender for me. Even in a weak FA market you could probably land a guy like Manny Pina for roughly half what Sanchez will make in arbitration and you get a similar hitter to Sanchez, but with elite defense.

**primetime714** · 11-06-21, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by kan_t View Post

No. Jasson may flop in the future but I wouldn't spend 5.1m to a prospect just for trading him away after his first year playing in USA. He hasn't hit like Trout in the minor but he isn't overmatched either. No way for me to give him up this early.

Yea this would be a sell-low situation. He had a good first year in the pros considering everything. However the hype was so significant that he was never going to keep up with that. If we were going to trade him it would've been either last year to a team that bought into the hype and valued him like a top 10 prospect or we wait until he is a top 10 prospect. Sure as you mention he may flop, but the potential is there he hasn't had nearly enough time to realistically get there. For me based on what I know and think there is no realistic scenario where I trade Dominguez this offseason, bad business to sell low unless you've scouted him and know the hype was misguided you hold onto him.

People aren't going to want to hear this because recency bias reigns supreme, but if you're shopping one of our top prospects it should be Volpe. His 2021 season was magical and while many will argue (and for good reason) that he's only going to continue his success, there's another pragmatic argument that says his 2021 season was so good the chances of him replicating and building on that while getting older and losing years of team control will be difficult so there's one argument that he's potentially getting close to peak trade value. Especially when you consider many speculate he's not a future SS which is a position that carries much more trade value than 2B or 3B.

Now to be clear I think highly of Volpe and I'm not trading Volpe for Olson or even actively looking to move him. I'm not trading any of our top 3 prospects (Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza) for Olson alone. While its a fair ask by the A's its simply too much in my opinion for 1B even if his hitting profile is exactly what we need. The incremental value you get vs. signing Rizzo to a little bit more than what Olson will make in arbitration is not worth your top trade chips. But do I consider trading Volpe for Jose Ramirez, yea, you have to think about something like that. Do I consider trading him for an elite young starter like Sandy Alcantara, sure, have to think about that. Would I trade him with other non-top 3 prospects to the As in a package of Olson and Montas, yes, gotta consider that. Are any of these realistic? No, probably not at least not right now.

And in general trade the prospects coming off big years, not the ones coming off mediocre or down years. But for the top guys you have to hold them for the right opportunities that can transform your team, not just fill a gap. The same is true with ML roster. So for example I'm a proponent of shopping Monty and using him and his 3 years of control along with prospects to get a better starting pitcher perhaps with a year less of control like a Luis Castillo from the clearly cash strapped Reds.

**sjb23** · 11-06-21, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by hhill View Post

Adding Olson: former Red GM Jim Bowden proposed in a piece for The Athletic that the Yankees acquire Olson in exchange for first baseman Luke Voit, second baseman Gleyber Torres and righty Domingo German. Would Oakland do it? Seems a bit light on the Yankees’ end, but it’s a starting point.

Originally posted by False1 View Post

Re: Olson, I would do backflips if Cashman pulled off a Voit, Gleyber and German for Olson deal. And I like Voit. But someone else would destroy that trade offer. Those three are really kind of castoffs from this team at this point (although Voit shouldn't be - he could be the DH solution for my prior comment but I presume he's gone). I think the A's might be interested in Gleyber and German to some extent, but you'd have to add real prospects on top to get that deal done.

Originally posted by philleotardo View Post

So, in a prospective Olsen deal, would you consider Jasson? If the concerns about his ability to play CF are real, I think I would. I might try to get more moving parts so Manaea is part of it, but it would be a fair ask by the A’s.

I'm all for one-stop shopping whenever possible. For two years of Olson and one year of Manaea, I'd add one of Dominguez/Volpe/Peraza, and either Gill or Medina to a Voit/Gleyber/German package. I think that's a balanced package of quality, quantity, high ceilings & low cost that might be more attractive to the A's than we think. Can the Yankee organization recover from losing 5 or 6 very good players in this trade? IMO all names mentioned are expendable. Can this Yankee offer be beat? That's not something the organization can control. The question is, what are they willing to offer?

Some folks might think I'm underpaying, and some might think I'm overpaying. I don't even mind sweetening the pot (Andujar or Frazier or Garcia?) and overpaying if it strengthens the 2022 roster. Three acknowledged weaknesses (SS, 1B, TOR starter) become strengths. Also, in a bigger picture it opens up a couple of roster spots - which is important and has value.

Couple this potential deal with the acquisition of a star shortstop (plug in your preference) and we might be looking at an AL East contender.

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