2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[kan_t]

A case for offering Starling Marte a 5yr/$75M contract to play CF:

If he's added and Hicks becomes a LFer or 4th OFer and it keeps Gardner off the team? Might make sense.
He brings speed, agility, good defense, good contact rate/low strikeout rate.

OF: Gallo Hicks Marte Judge Stanton with Florial riding the shuttle bus.

If they want to sign an outfielder, Chris Taylor who could play outfield and infield makes more sense than Marte.

[Yankee Tripper]

I don’t know what’s considered fair value but I don’t think the A’s would be interested in Voit or Gleyber in deals that are designed to reduce future payroll obligations.

Exactly, they are moving guys who have a year or two left of team control, they aren’t going to flip them for similar control guys with similar salaries. They are going to be looking to trade 2 years of control for a gut like Olsen in exchange for say 3 guys that have a total of say 10-15 years of team control.

[Yankee Tripper]

Agreed. I for one am glad the Dodgers signed him before Cashman had second thoughts and saddled us with Heaney for another season.

Andrew Heaney could win the Cy-young next year and I’d still be happy the Yankees didn’t resign him because the odds of Heaney being an above average pitcher let alone a cy young winner like very poor. The guy obviously has some talent or he wouldn’t have been a 1st round draft choice and wouldn’t have lasted this long in MLB but he also has a long history of being a perennial subpar performer with no real indication that’s likely to ever change.

[primetime714]

Seager for 5 years would be ok for that reason. But not sure I would want a longer contract.

I'd go as high as 8 years on Seager, more if it comes with a relatively steep decrease to the AAV (they essentially pay him very little at the end) or if there are options at the end that are "team favorable."

In my opinion this year's FA class is close to a do-over of the 2018-2019 Class:

• Seager is the Harper of this FA class, MVP caliber left handed bat questionable defensively. Only differences are that Seager doesn't have Harper's durability given his injuries, but its balanced off by the fact that Seager has questionable defense at a premier position offering higher upside if moved to an easier position whereas Harper's a mediocre corner OFer. They're also different styles of hitters but I'd argue production wise/value wise they're not too dissimilar and that Seager is probably a better fit given his skill set is more of what the Yankees are missing
• Correa is the Machado, all-around great player, questionable attitude, not quite as durable as Machado though but that's balanced off by the fact that Correa is a good defensive SS whereas Machado is a 3B that could play SS
• Robbie Ray is Patrick Corbin
• Could Story be a higher priced version of DJ but with similar type of output?
• Is Verlander the Charlie Morton?
• Castellanos a righty version of Brantley?
• Eduardo Rodriguez as sort of a Ryu type?
• Scherzer no parallel in this market, Keuchel is the closest thing, but that's way off

The parallels are intriguing or fun if nothing else. For me I was team Machado at the time, liked Harper, but felt Machado was the better fit given his position, durability (never misses a game) and glove. I also liked Pat Corbin, we all eat crow sometimes, but he might've been the difference for us in 2019 especially since they wasted a lot of that money on guys like Happ, Ottovino and Britton who gave us less than we would've gotten out of Corbin anyway.

This year I'm going with a different script in that I like the offensive fit of Seager as my top target his lefty bat is damn near perfect for this offense and I have confidence in his providing near average SS defense until Peraza or Volpe moves him to 3B, although I think Correa's defense makes him worse more (he'll get 10 years I think) and I'd pay more for him if contract values are coming in around equal for the two. Ray is a hard pass for me. I'm warming up to the idea of Verlander even though healthy skeptism should be applied given those types of gambles Cashman is 0 for the century on. E-Rod is my preferred starter.

[JLJ81]

As hard as it's been, I've been supportive of Gary Sanchez, willing to keep my hopes up that he'll improve.

Today, I'd do Contreras for Sanchez and provide Gary with a limo to the airport

Why would the Cubs wants Sanchez at all? They aren't contending, he makes a good chunk of money, and he stinks at you know... catching.

[effdamets]

I think I'd rather root for the Mets than root for Verlander. I have a great disdain for that human being.

[bucky]

Andrew Heaney could win the Cy-young next year and I’d still be happy the Yankees didn’t resign him because the odds of Heaney being an above average pitcher let alone a cy young winner like very poor. The guy obviously has some talent or he wouldn’t have been a 1st round draft choice and wouldn’t have lasted this long in MLB but he also has a long history of being a perennial subpar performer with no real indication that’s likely to ever change.

You never know. A lot of people say a player was a first rounder and I do believe in the ranking (most teams are close; we didn't this year and I think it was a LHP but as usual probably wrong), he has potential but after 4-5 year in the league - I only look at the numbers. He is a SP LHP, LAD target, scouts watched him LAA. Worried he raised the bar for LHP (I want #2)

I think we signed Nittoli RP RHP to minors OK so I look at MLB stats 1 IP 1HR 2BB 1K why RHP and our scouts in the minors. (IMO The best pick up was Miley SP LHP 5M WOW that would have been nice)

edit. On the positive note: we can't sign him.

[ojo]

Andrew Heaney could win the Cy-young next year and I’d still be happy the Yankees didn’t resign him because the odds of Heaney being an above average pitcher let alone a cy young winner like very poor. The guy obviously has some talent or he wouldn’t have been a 1st round draft choice and wouldn’t have lasted this long in MLB but he also has a long history of being a perennial subpar performer with no real indication that’s likely to ever change.

Mark Prior sees enough in Heaney’s repertoire. I’d say it’s a good bet he far exceeds the $8.5m investment.

[philleotardo]

Exactly, they are moving guys who have a year or two left of team control, they aren’t going to flip them for similar control guys with similar salaries. They are going to be looking to trade 2 years of control for a gut like Olsen in exchange for say 3 guys that have a total of say 10-15 years of team control.

On the other hand, to kind of support sjb’s approach, if you can first move Voit and Gleyber to whichever teams would be in that market, you can flip those prospects straight to Oakland. Almost let them window shop. No idea what kind of return those 2 have these days, though. A couple of organizational top 10-12s for each?

[sjb23]

If they want to sign an outfielder, Chris Taylor who could play outfield and infield makes more sense than Marte.

I like Chris Taylor also - but IMO Marte would have more of an impact on the roster than Taylor. Pros and cons for either guy. But I think they need a CFer besides Hicks and/or Gardner and/or Florial

[Portbb]

Ray's issue was always control. It was universally understood that he could be dominant if he could overcome that issue.
He did, and we saw the result.

Heaney's issues are much more complex than that. If anyone can fix him, the Dodgers can but I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen of Heaney over the years.

Could be. But then again the Dodgers are paying him peanuts so they can release him anytime.

[ThePinStripes]

Mark Prior sees enough in Heaney’s repertoire. I’d say it’s a good bet he far exceeds the $8.5m investment.

Heaney makes sense as an off season lotto ticket acquisition given his peripherals. You work with him during the off season and spring training.
he’s not someone you pick up at the trade deadline and expect to change overnight because he put on a new jersey when you’re scrapping for the wildcard spot.

[primetime714]

Ray's issue was always control. It was universally understood that he could be dominant if he could overcome that issue.
He did, and we saw the result.

Heaney's issues are much more complex than that. If anyone can fix him, the Dodgers can but I'm not optimistic based on what I've seen of Heaney over the years.

I agree although Heaney's problem is clear its the HR ball. But the difference with someone like Ray is that Heaney doesn't offer any good pitches. His curve and changeup are mediocre, but he throws his FB 60% of the time anyway. His fastball is a meatball. He used to throw a sinker instead of a 4 seamer and that was a meatball too. After the Yankees traded for him many in LAA organization said there was no way he could handle the stress of NY or a big market like that. Unless they have new pitches or a new delivery in mind that allows him to do something he hasn't ever done here this is a horrible move by the Dodgers.

This feels like analytics at its worst. We'd berate Cashman endlessly for this move. Even though credit where due we actually have a good pitching coach now, but he needs something to work with, Heaney as we saw in his half season of work with Blake gives you nothing to build off of. I think this blows up in LA's face as pure hubris. I don't think anyone is happier than Cashman though to see them make this move, what an ego stroke for him even though he got nothing out of his end of acquiring Heaney.

[ojo]

Heaney makes sense as an off season lotto ticket acquisition given his peripherals. You work with him during the off season and spring training.
he’s not someone you pick up at the trade deadline and expect to change overnight because he put on a new jersey when you’re scrapping for the wildcard spot.

100% agreement. Frankly, I see him getting righted better than I see Ray maintaining his effectiveness.

[NelsonMuntz]

A case for offering Starling Marte a 5yr/$75M contract to play CF:

If he's added and Hicks becomes a LFer or 4th OFer and it keeps Gardner off the team? Might make sense.
He brings speed, agility, good defense, good contact rate/low strikeout rate.

OF: Gallo Hicks Marte Judge Stanton with Florial riding the shuttle bus.

I am 100% on this train.