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**ymike673** · 10-07-21, 12:02 PM

People complain about the CBS years but they unfortunately bought a team that the previous owner had pretty much allowed to die. No free agency so you could not improve the team that way and the amateur draft starting in 1965 made it impossible to just sign the best prospects. But through the lean years the Yankees had Ralph Houk as the manger and a very capable GM in Lee McPhail. And by the early 70s they had turned the team around. Of course George buying the team made things a lot better too.

**Yankee Tripper** · 10-07-21, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by RoyWilliams View Post

I have no idea at some of these things but Torres would be the starting 2B on 90% of the teams in the league if he was a FA but for us he is only a DH? are we suppose to have super stars at every position?

90%? Really. Closer to 9 teams than 90%. Well probably somewhere in between that. Pretty sure I could rattle off 10 2b clearly better than Torres without too much trouble.

barring a trade though it looks like he will be the Yankees everyday 2B next year so I hope he returns to 280+ hitter who can give you 25 HRs and 15 Sbs.

**NelsonMuntz** · 10-07-21, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by effdamets View Post

I don't think burning the whole thing down is an option in the Bronx. And there are some good pieces here.
Judge, Stanton, DJ, Torres are a good start. They should try to retain Rizzo (cost effectively) and Gallo the same. They need to move Sanchez, Urshela, Hicks for whatever they can get.
The infield could be Rizzo, Torres, Velazquez, DJ (around the horn)
Need to acquire a catcher & a centerfielder. I realize CFers don't grow on trees. And I'm not exactly sure what they have in the minors either.
They also need starting pitchers. Enough of trying to play the "Ray game". Be the Yankees for cryin out loud.

We don't need a CF'er. Hicks and Gardner are coming back.
- Brian Cashman (probably)

**ThePinStripes** · 10-07-21, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by sd. View Post

Also hearing a lot of "The Yankees are build for the regular season. The post-season is a crapshoot" stuff still today. Well they aren't good during the regular season either. 1 division win in 9 years. Same as the O's. Same as the Blue Jays but I have a feeling the Jays will win another before the Yankees.

It's not even true. Having a top 4 bullpen vs depth is the one thing that's a big deal the playoffs and not for the regular season. A lot more rest so you don't need depth.
Same thing with starting rotation. Winning the most regular season games requires depth (good 1-5) that can give you distance and aren't injury prone so the bullpen doesn't get burned out. Not so much with the playoffs.
A higher percentage of runs in the post season come from the longball than in the regular season.

They design is clearly for the post season. It's just a craptastic execution and they're poorly built. That doesn't mean they're built for the regular season. I mean, they won 91 games at a time when the league's CY Young winner has a near 3.00 ERA. The AL is about as weak as it's ever been and they're the 4th best in their division with the highest payroll, lol. They're just poorly built.

It's like looking at some redneck jimmy-rigged lifted truck, watching it fall apart predictably and catastrophically, to the point of amusement, the first time it sees a bump offroad and saying "it isn't built for offroading- it's built for speed." No, it's not good for anything. That's what the yankees are. No part of their game is elite.

**JDPNYY** · 10-07-21, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by NelsonMuntz View Post

We don't need a CF'er. Hicks and Gardner are coming back.
- Brian Cashman (probably)

Hicks is already penciled in at CF batting 3rd in the 2022 opening day lineup.

**NelsonMuntz** · 10-07-21, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by JDPNYY View Post

Hicks is already penciled in at CF batting 3rd in the 2022 opening day lineup.

I have no doubt that this is true.

**HelloNewman** · 10-07-21, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by JDPNYY View Post

Hicks is already penciled in at CF batting 3rd in the 2022 opening day lineup.

Nah 2nd I think. Judge 3rd and Gallo 4th.

**HelloNewman** · 10-07-21, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

People complain about the CBS years but they unfortunately bought a team that the previous owner had pretty much allowed to die. No free agency so you could not improve the team that way and the amateur draft starting in 1965 made it impossible to just sign the best prospects. But through the lean years the Yankees had Ralph Houk as the manger and a very capable GM in Lee McPhail. And by the early 70s they had turned the team around. Of course George buying the team made things a lot better too.

And if you choose to count the 2009 team on GMSIII's ledger rather than Hal's (I don't, but just saying), the pennants won tally is:

CBS 1
Hal 0

**NelsonMuntz** · 10-07-21, 01:41 PM

Anyone have access to this article and can give us the Cliffs Notes? https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/what-c...t-this-winter/

Yankees fans want changes, but how many can they really expect to get?

My guess: stop gap at SS, possibly a new first baseman and Catcher. Outfield is set with Gallo/Hicks/Judge/Gardner. Rotation largely set with Severino taking Kluber's spot. Bullpen largely set although that won't stop Cashman from unnecessarily over investing in that area while not addressing holes in the rotation and lineup.

**hhill** · 10-07-21, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by RoyWilliams View Post

I have no idea at some of these things but Torres would be the starting 2B on 90% of the teams in the league if he was a FA but for us he is only a DH? are we suppose to have super stars at every position?

I Agree with you. keep Torres at 2nd. Spend on a shortstop. try to keep Rizzo. Gio ok at 3rd. Not sure where to put DJ.

**ClownPickle** · 10-07-21, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by JDPNYY View Post

Hicks is already penciled in at CF batting 3rd in the 2022 opening day lineup.

I'd wager leadoff or 2nd. OBP!!

**ThePinStripes** · 10-07-21, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by NelsonMuntz View Post

Anyone have access to this article and can give us the Cliffs Notes? https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/what-c...t-this-winter/

My guess: stop gap at SS, possibly a new first baseman and Catcher. Outfield is set with Gallo/Hicks/Judge/Gardner. Rotation largely set with Severino taking Kluber's spot. Bullpen largely set although that won't stop Cashman from unnecessarily over investing in that area while not addressing holes in the rotation and lineup.

I expect Voit to be sold for pennies so Cashman can show him who is boss with a final sign of disrespect.

**sd.** · 10-07-21, 01:53 PM

So with the decision to come back completely up to Gardner, that means Stanton is back to full time DH right? Even though when Tauchman was the 5th OFer, he got zero playing time, when it is Gardner he will spell Gallo, Hicks, and Judge each twice a week and basically be a full time starter.

**NelsonMuntz** · 10-07-21, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by sd. View Post

So with the decision to come back completely up to Gardner, that means Stanton is back to full time DH right? Even though when Tauchman was the 5th OFer, he got zero playing time, when it is Gardner he will spell Gallo, Hicks, and Judge each twice a week and basically be a full time starter.

Plus Hicks will be injured by May so Gardner will be the starting CF'er for most of the season anyway.

**ThePinStripes** · 10-07-21, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by NelsonMuntz View Post

Plus Hicks will be injured by May so Gardner will be the starting CF'er for most of the season anyway.

In hindsight, It's really amazing how none of us have won the powerball with the remarkably accurate crystal balls we have.

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