2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[sd.]

I'm cool giving Jasson or Volpe as the lead prospect in a package for Reynolds.

Olson I think should be significantly cheaper.

[ymike673]

If the Yanks needed to add $$$ to the package, that suits me fine - I'm even willing to add Gill & Peraza as you suggest.

So how do you like this? Torres/Voit/German/Gil/Peraza/ and a lower level prospect, as you suggest, for Olson and Manaea?

Everything is contingent on signing Seager, though. If they sign Seager, they can even just signing Rizzo for a 3yr deal and use the talent pool for other areas - but Matt Olson and Seam Manaea sure seem like good fits.

Another thought: if and when the NL adopts the DH rule (hopefully in the next few weeks), Sanchez Stanton and Voit's values definitely increase, IMO.

I think it's exciting that there are so many different options to have in order to construct a much better roster in 2022.

Sure. But the problem is still the same guy in control of constructing the roster.

[WSorBUST]

Sure. But the problem is still the same guy in control of constructing the roster.

He’s proven he can buy a roster and win.

[False1]

Sure. Get rid of Urshela since he can actually field a position.

I certainly don't want them to "get rid of Urshela" but if they can upgrade there I wouldn't be totally against it. Urshela was a ridiculously good find by Cashman. If not for Covid he'd have likely given them >8 WAR for 2019/2020 for like $4MM combined. And he was a good situational hitter as well.

But last year he gave them <1 WAR for ~$5MM. , before coming back to earth last year. He's likely to get ~$6.5MM this season.

So, if they could trade Urshela and other pieces and put together a package to the A's for say Olson and Chapman, I'd be down. Chapman had a rough '21 at the plate, too many strikeouts but he still compiled 3.6 WAR and had b2b >7 WAR seasons prior to Covid. I'm fascinated with Olson and if the A's were motivated to move Chapman as well I'd gamble on an offensive bounce back from him and see what it would take to get both.

[False1]

Does that mean Gary will be back or is he a UFA?

He's not a FA until 2023, so I assume it means he thinks Gary will be tendered a contract and not traded. Personally, I think he should be non tendered. It's time to let go of the dream and move on.

On a somewhat related note, time to trade Gley before he becomes Gary II.

[False1]

Again, your proposal isn’t realistic because the A’s aren’t interested in acquiring arb-eligible players. It’s why they’ll be looking to trade Olson in the first place.

Forget about including Voit, Torres or German in any trade proposals because that’s not what Oakland is looking for. They’re looking for MLB-ready prospects with virtually no service time so they can controls costs for a few years until they have to trade them too.

I agree. We need to really think about what the team on the other side of the table wants / needs in order to give up elite, cost-controlled talent. So I don't think they'd be looking for that kind of return.

That said, part of me wonders if they A's would be wise to include one or more of those guys in a deal. In theory, they'd be buying low on the ceilings of any of these three. If a Voit or a Torres snaps back to their type of production they've already shown they can deliver at the ML level, they can then in turn sell high at the deadline. So, build the deal around near-ML ready top prospects, but angle the Yankees to include a Voit or a Torres or a German and see if you can rebuild their trade value in '22.

[ojo]

I agree. We need to really think about what the team on the other side of the table wants / needs in order to give up elite, cost-controlled talent. So I don't think they'd be looking for that kind of return.

That said, part of me wonders if they A's would be wise to include one or more of those guys in a deal. In theory, they'd be buying low on the ceilings of any of these three. If a Voit or a Torres snaps back to their type of production they've already shown they can deliver at the ML level, they can then in turn sell high at the deadline. So, build the deal around near-ML ready top prospects, but angle the Yankees to include a Voit or a Torres or a German and see if you can rebuild their trade value in '22.

The A's started 74 year old Jed Lowrie at 2B this past season. They should be all over a Gleyber Torres pump and dump.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

The A's started 74 year old Jed Lowrie at 2B this past season. They should be all over a Gleyber Torres pump and dump.

The A’s need to move out of Oakland.

[Pakimobzta]

If it’s going to take trading Jasson or Volpe to fix this team, then I would pass and just do a rebuild.

[ymike673]

He’s proven he can buy a roster and win.

1 WS appearance in almost 20 years. So no he has not.

[Yankees1962]

Sure. But the problem is still the same guy in control of constructing the roster.

So what do Yankees fans do, just give up and stay hopeless because Cashman is in charge?

[newhampfan]

If it’s going to take trading Jasson or Volpe to fix this team, then I would pass and just do a rebuild.

I’m very reluctantly convinced that a trade for Reynolds involving Dominguez (if that's what it'll take) is the way to go. Reynolds seems that good. Yet I wouldn’t also include Volpe in that trade if possible but instead let Torres go, Urshela as well (unless they’ll take Andujar) and perhaps another Inf prospect. If that doesn't work, then hold the line and stay with our prospects including Dominguez. I’d also maybe trade hard with Beane for Olson, who despite last year has a .252 six-yr lifetime BA with, yes, a much superior slugging avg beyond a similar Gardner lifetime BA avg. I still prefer trying to keep Rizzo at 1B for four years.

[WSorBUST]

1 WS appearance in almost 20 years. So no he has not.

He hasn’t bought one since 2009 then they got injured.

[yank4life2005]

Might be a silly question.....

So if an agreement can't be reached by Dec 1st between owners and players than can trades still be made and free agents signed?

[RoyWilliams]

Might be a silly question.....

So if an agreement can't be reached by Dec 1st between owners and players than can trades still be made and free agents signed?

If the owners lock them out and freeze transactions then no there will not be any.And since that is a given this is why they say some may sign early as once there is a lockout nothing is going to happen.

I said this months ago that they seem so far apart like the one if the 90s that it may go till right before ST and then all the rest of the FA' will have to have a mad signing. Next season is not a given. I was thinking in the 90s no way they do this but they did and now will do it again.