2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[AussieYank]

There seems to be so many variables to consider this off-season. Is the sticky stuff drama and the juiced balls part of the CBA, or separate to it?

These two aspects alone would be hugely important to any trade or FA deals this off-season. Gleyber hit 38 HRs with a juiced ball, but not much at all this past season. If more changes to the ball were made to liven it up again in 2022, then this would have to affect his value. Surely the same with pitchers and a mooted sticky stuff solution.

Can anybody see anything big happening before the CBA, sticky stuff and juiced ball decisions are made?

[Tock Ada Shot]

1 WS appearance in almost 20 years. So no he has not.

Totally true. He has proven he can buy rosters out his wazzoo and continue to destroy the Yankee dynasty.

[sjb23]

What if the NL adopts the DH rule in 2022 - whose value goes up the most?

Gary Sanchez
Luke Voit
Giancarlo Stanton
Miguel Andujar
Clint Frazier
Joey Gallo

Would you hesitate to trade any of them?
More than two of them?

[sjb23]

Aaron Judge turns 30 years old this coming April. He becomes a free agent after the 2022 season, and perhaps recently initiated negotiations by saying he wants to remain a Yankee for about 10 more years.

Assuming the Yanks are going to try and extend Judge, how many years are "too many" ?

I think 6yrs for $200M/$33M AAV might be a starting point for the Yankees.

I'm going to get nervous if the bidding starts out any higher in years or AAV.

[ymike673]

Aaron Judge turns 30 years old this coming April. He becomes a free agent after the 2022 season, and perhaps recently initiated negotiations by saying he wants to remain a Yankee for about 10 more years.

Assuming the Yanks are going to try and extend Judge, how many years are "too many" ?

I think 6yrs for $200M/$33M AAV might be a starting point for the Yankees.

I'm going to get nervous if the bidding starts out any higher in years or AAV.

6 years would be about right. 7 would be pushing it. Any more than that is ridiculous.

[ymike673]

So what do Yankees fans do, just give up and stay hopeless because Cashman is in charge?

Unfortunately that is pretty much true. Unless you think Cashman is going to change his entire philosophy.

[ThePinStripes]

If it’s going to take trading Jasson or Volpe to fix this team, then I would pass and just do a rebuild.

It's not like they have a development system that can do anything with them anyway.

If Hal wants to keep Cashman, he's going to need to give him another $100M/yr. It takes him $300M to do what other managers can do with $200M.

[sd.]

So what do Yankees fans do, just give up and stay hopeless because Cashman is in charge?

You hope he gets fired when his contract is up after this year. Right now I'd put the odds of that happening at about 1 in 3.

And you also hope he doesn't gut the future in an attempt to win right now and save his job. That's not to say a Reynolds for a package around Jasson isn't a good thing. I think it is. But signing a Correa or Seager to the Lindor contract would cripple this team in 4 years when all their large contracts (including Judge) would be for declining players past their primes.

[sd.]

It's not like they have a development system that can do anything with them anyway.

If Hal wants to keep Cashman, he's going to need to give him another $100M/yr. It takes him $300M to do what other managers can do with $200M.

It could be as much as $400M. During the epic Red Sox battles in the early 2000's they were almost double no? He needs money to hide his bad decisions and sign another solution anyway and to sign other free agents to hide his inability to develop from within.

But the other owners just won't let the Yankees spend like that anymore.

[primetime714]

You hope he gets fired when his contract is up after this year. Right now I'd put the odds of that happening at about 1 in 3.

And you also hope he doesn't gut the future in an attempt to win right now and save his job. That's not to say a Reynolds for a package around Jasson isn't a good thing. I think it is. But signing a Correa or Seager to the Lindor contract would cripple this team in 4 years when all their large contracts (including Judge) would be for declining players past their primes.

There’s also the short term hope he gets lucky and his philosophy actually works for a year or two or that he makes enough minor tweaks to his approach that he’s an average to above average GM. Give him enough money and he might stumble onto gold.

I know there’s an argument that’s bad for the long term future of the team, but hoping for him to get fired feels more hopeless than hoping he might get lucky or might have even a tad bit of humility to make a couple tweaks or even blame the people advising him and replace them with smarter people (he’s fine blaming others). Plus hoping he gets fired in essence is in a way hoping for short term failure that another GM can correct and while I’d love a new GM, I’m not going there.

[matt2351]

So what do Yankees fans do, just give up and stay hopeless because Cashman is in charge?

I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all solution here. Fans will do what they are comfortable with. I can speak for myself when I say I am largely done with the team. I cancelled my TV package to watch them this past summer and haven't been to a game (despite living about 4 miles from where they play) in several years. I will continue to follow how they do by checking the box scores and will sporadically check in on some games via GameDay. I will, of course, continue to be a member of this community and get team info here. I will not be watching them play every day like I have for many years and I will not be investing anything emotionally in their performance.

IMO, part of being a fan is identifying with the team in some way. When I was a kid that was identifying with players that I looked up to. As an adult, much of that identification needs to happen with how the team is operated. I just can't identify with folks like Lonn Trost, Randy Levine, Brian Cashman, and Hal Steinbrenner. The way the team is being run is antithetical to how I think an organization should be operated. What would I be rooting for? For me, it would have to be an act of nostalgia or blind faith and I am not good with either of those.

This all being said, everyone will have to find their own pathway and comfort zone. It has become very obvious that nothing substantive will change within the org and each person will have to decide how they want to proceed.

[sjb23]

If Hal wants to keep Cashman, he's going to need to give him another $100M/yr.

I think the Yanks can build a divisional contender in the very tough AL East for about $250M-$275M. I'm guessing they are budgeting to try and stay below $250M but might spend more In July if need be regardless of the new CBA. If Hal has a real desire to get to the WS, IMO he's got to realize that this is the year to spend.

[sjb23]

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[Yankees1962]

I don't think there is a one-size-fits-all solution here. Fans will do what they are comfortable with. I can speak for myself when I say I am largely done with the team. I cancelled my TV package to watch them this past summer and haven't been to a game (despite living about 4 miles from where they play) in several years. I will continue to follow how they do by checking the box scores and will sporadically check in on some games via GameDay. I will, of course, continue to be a member of this community and get team info here. I will not be watching them play every day like I have for many years and I will not be investing anything emotionally in their performance.

IMO, part of being a fan is identifying with the team in some way. When I was a kid that was identifying with players that I looked up to. As an adult, much of that identification needs to happen with how the team is operated. I just can't identify with folks like Lonn Trost, Randy Levine, Brian Cashman, and Hal Steinbrenner. The way the team is being run is antithetical to how I think an organization should be operated. What would I be rooting for? For me, it would have to be an act of nostalgia or blind faith and I am not good with either of those.

This all being said, everyone will have to find their own pathway and comfort zone. It has become very obvious that nothing substantive will change within the org and each person will have to decide how they want to proceed.

I guess you're right that not one size fits everyone here! If I felt the same way you do about the Yankees, I wouldn't even bother being part of a community that talks about them as life is too short if my enjoyment level about them is that low and still read every post on this forum every single day. That's simply too much misery for me to take on a daily basis.

[Yankees1962]

Unfortunately that is pretty much true. Unless you think Cashman is going to change his entire philosophy.

Well, I'm glad I don't feel that way because I would simply move on to other endeavors that give me more pleasure in life. Like you, I'm not a young man any longer so I try to ration my energies accordingly towards life enjoyments.