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    #2566
    Matt Olson & Sean Manaea for $5M, Luke Voit, Domingo German, Clint Frazier, Ken Waldichuk, Albert Abreu, Anthony Volpe


    Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post
    Sub in Oswaldo Cabrera for Volpe
    If you're the Yankees, you would turn that deal down if the A's insisted on Volpe?

    "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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      #2567
      Matt Olson & Sean Manaea for $5M, Luke Voit, Domingo German, Clint Frazier, Ken Waldichuk, Albert Abreu, Anthony Volpe

      Originally posted by sd. View Post
      That Olsen trade seems to be giving them an awful lot of MLB talent that wouldn't make our roster most of which is arbitration eligible and wouldn't really save them any money.
      Yeah to get those two, I'm ok with "overpaying" in talent to beat opposing offers and get two guys that can be difference makers in 2022.

      The A's would be shedding a little more than $22M by dealing Olson and Manaea and picking up about $12M to pay the 6 Yankees acquired, plus - did you notice the $5M the Yanks would be giving to the A's? Bottom line - they'd be saving about $15M and can still be contenders in the AL West. Voit replaces Olson in the lineup and German replaces Manaea in the rotation. Olson becomes a FA after 2023, Manaea becomes a FA after 2022 - the A's probably can't re-sign either player.
      "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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        #2568
        Syndergaard to the Angels: 1 year / $21 million.

        I'm very concerned about Cashman doing something very stupid with Verlander that will prevent him from properly addressing far more urgent needs.

        Rinse, wash, repeat.
        "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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          #2569
          Good gamble for the Angels. Rather take my chances with Verlander over Thor.

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            #2570
            Berrios stays in Toronto 7/131. I take back my Freeman speculation. The money is out there.

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              #2571
              Originally posted by yank4life2005 View Post
              Good gamble for the Angels. Rather take my chances with Verlander over Thor.
              I wouldn't go near Verlander. You're not convincing me he didn't rely on sticky stuff.
              Magic uptick in movement and spin rate.
              Houston- cheaters generally.
              Cole was on it there.
              Every pitcher around him was incredible, from thin air except maybe ZG.

              The last thing this team needs is another performance/sticky stuff question mark compiled with a huge injury risk and age related decline risk and just performance drop from not pitching a whole season.

              Verlander and Thor are who you (as a large market team) gamble with when you have a stable rotation. Or at least a true TOR and #2 pitcher.
              If he works out, it's great. If he doesn't, you still have a very competitive team.
              You dont gamble on these guys to make the playoffs.
              Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? Cashman: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.

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                #2572
                Originally posted by ThePinStripes View Post

                I wouldn't go near Verlander. You're not convincing me he didn't rely on sticky stuff.
                Magic uptick in movement and spin rate.
                Houston- cheaters generally.
                Cole was on it there.
                Every pitcher around him was incredible, from thin air except maybe ZG.

                The last thing this team needs is another performance/sticky stuff question mark compiled with a huge injury risk and age related decline risk and just performance drop from not pitching a whole season.

                Verlander and Thor are who you (as a large market team) gamble with when you have a stable rotation. Or at least a true TOR and #2 pitcher.
                If he works out, it's great. If he doesn't, you still have a very competitive team.
                You dont gamble on these guys to make the playoffs.
                1. Cole was still REALLY good without sticky stuff.
                2. Guarantee in this next CBA they'll have a standardized substance for pitchers to use for grip.

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                  #2573
                  Plus , usually first year back inst great after a big injury. So it seems like you’re paying him to rehab

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                    #2574
                    Verlander was sitting between 94-97 in his rehab showcase.

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                      #2575
                      Originally posted by kan_t View Post

                      On the bright side the Yankees also would get Kate Upton.

                      I don't have issue with signing Verlander as long as they don't use this as an excuse for no money going after Seager/ Correa.
                      She's aged out of her prime too

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                        #2576
                        Originally posted by primetime714 View Post

                        There's nothing wrong with his content, I agree, its the pure lack of tact. Plus the media is just going to bait him constantly because he has no filter and its too easy. We like it now because we need a great short stop and he is that and blunt and brutal honesty is something we haven't had in a while, but is anyone going to want to hear this guy say a word when he is mired in a slump and the team is floundering or as his talent naturally fades with age, but if they sign him we're going to have to listen to him anyway. Perhaps he'll endear himself enough early in the deal with outstanding play and some clutch postseason hits that he'll be so well regarded that people will just appreciate that kind of personality. The one positive I will say is that he at least always defends his teammates from what I've seen.

                        Still Yankee fans blasted Machado and said they didn't want him because of one "Johnny Hustle" comment not realizing that Machado unlike every player on our team at the time plays 162 or a couple games shy every year. With Correa you get one of those comments every week. When will you get tired of it? I think pretty quickly if he isn't an absolute star and the Yankees don't win a championship immediately with him.
                        I don't really care how the media treat him as long as it doesn't affect his performance (which no one really knows). As long as he hits, his 'no filter' personality could quickly turn him into a New York media darling and fans favorite. Aaron Judge trolling the Red Sox by playing 'New York, New York' at Fenway was not actually Jeter like professionalism either. People also just laughed when Paul O'neill just destroyed a water cooler.

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                          #2577
                          If he came cheap, I wouldnt mind Kluber even if they got Verlander

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                            #2578
                            Originally posted by ClownPickle View Post
                            2. Guarantee in this next CBA they'll have a standardized substance for pitchers to use for grip.
                            Almost definitely. But I doubt it will be anywhere near as effective. They didn't just ban it to bring it back.

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                              #2579
                              I have a feeling a deal gets done today; either Olson or Verlander

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                                #2580
                                Originally posted by HughesIsNasty View Post
                                I have a feeling a deal gets done today; either Olson or Verlander
                                How about both?

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