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    #2701
    Originally posted by yank4life2005 View Post
    Verlander to Houston
    So much for wanting to sign with an East coast team.
    More people have walked on the moon than have scored an earned run off of Mariano Rivera in the postseason.

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      #2702
      Originally posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post

      Gardner played 140 games in 2019 and again in 2021, while Stanton has been primarily a DH.

      There was definitely room for Harper in this lineup - was/is literally a perfect LH fit and would have certainly changed the outcome in 2019.
      The thinking then would be Stanton can play out field, you still had hicks Gardner (who was much better) and judge. He of course would make the team better but they already had a surplus of corner outfielders. Plus Frazier.
      machado made way more sense.


      neither or Torres or Andujar could play the infield and they both had high trade value. Frazier should have been gone with them to bring in top flight pitching.
      Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? Cashman: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.

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        #2703
        Originally posted by sd. View Post

        I didn't want Seager, Correa, or Verlander anyway. If they go Reynolds, Scherzer (preferably on a high AAV 2 year deal), and a stop gap SS that's what I wanted them to do anyway.

        ...They won't but at least my dreams are dying later than yours.
        I'm not sure Reynolds would be made available, and if he was it would probably require a massive overpay. He's a guy the Pirates should be building around, not trading hoping that maybe they can acquire a few lottery tickets and praying one becomes a Reynolds.

        I also worry about calling the SS need a stop gap situation. Prior to last season, I think most people were expecting Volpe to be another massive overreach in terms of draft position. Most were trashing that selection prior to this year. His season was amazing at Hudson Valley, but it was Hudson Valley. This isn't an 18 year old can't miss A-Rod, or even a 20 year old can't miss Corey Seager. I think for a team with a very short window, you don't pass on elite FA SS talent because you had a surprisingly good season in High A ball. Peraza's nice too, and closer to being ready, but no sure thing. Add the elite talent to your roster, try to push the window back open, and then if Volpe or Peraza forces your hand you can leverage SS, 3B and 2B to create openings for young talent

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          #2704
          Originally posted by Art Vanderlay View Post

          An overlooked comment from Boone yesterday. He said he always gets involved in recruiting free agents but he has not done any recruiting yet this off season. So free agents are starting to come off the board and the Yankees haven’t started recruiting. What has Cashman been working on the last 7 weeks?
          His tan.

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            #2705
            Originally posted by Art Vanderlay View Post

            An overlooked comment from Boone yesterday. He said he always gets involved in recruiting free agents but he has not done any recruiting yet this off season. So free agents are starting to come off the board and the Yankees haven’t started recruiting. What has Cashman been working on the last 7 weeks?
            The process
            Mariano Rivera was so great he was able to close a Denny's.

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              #2706
              Boone isn’t allowed to make his own batting order. What makes you think they care what he has to say about free agents?
              Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? Cashman: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.

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                #2707
                Originally posted by ThePinStripes View Post
                Boone isn’t allowed to make his own batting order. What makes you think they care what he has to say about free agents?
                So true. Yankees probably could not find another manager that would let them dictate so much on the field. Boone is a puppet.

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                  #2708
                  Originally posted by False1 View Post
                  I'm not sure Reynolds would be made available, and if he was it would probably require a massive overpay. He's a guy the Pirates should be building around, not trading hoping that maybe they can acquire a few lottery tickets and praying one becomes a Reynolds.

                  I also worry about calling the SS need a stop gap situation. Prior to last season, I think most people were expecting Volpe to be another massive overreach in terms of draft position. Most were trashing that selection prior to this year. His season was amazing at Hudson Valley, but it was Hudson Valley. This isn't an 18 year old can't miss A-Rod, or even a 20 year old can't miss Corey Seager. I think for a team with a very short window, you don't pass on elite FA SS talent because you had a surprisingly good season in High A ball. Peraza's nice too, and closer to being ready, but no sure thing. Add the elite talent to your roster, try to push the window back open, and then if Volpe or Peraza forces your hand you can leverage SS, 3B and 2B to create openings for young talent
                  Yeah I'm not 100% convinced he will be moved either but the Pirates don't really build around anyone, or really do anything that makes sense, so it wouldn't surprise me.

                  And stop gap doesn't necessarily mean I belive the prospects will take over. It just means I don't want to hand out 10 year contracts to middle IFers. The Yankees can't really hand out ANY more contracts like that for a while. They have too many of them right now. Cole was the last because they viewed him as the finishing piece. This roster would be unworkable in 5 years on the back end of too many long term contracts. Semien on a 4 or maybe 5 year is the most I would go a SS.

                  They have enough holes to plug they can improve without a $300M+ decade long contract.

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                    #2709
                    I get more disgusted with every passing day. Locked into Cashman/Hal hell forever.

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                      #2710
                      Originally posted by Obnoxio View Post
                      What’s Didi up to?
                      send gleyber and andujar for Torreyes and Didi?
                      Torreyes is a free agent. No trade needed for him. Didi hit .206 in 21.

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                        #2711
                        Originally posted by primetime714 View Post
                        I meant career comps. Not current comps because Verlander obviously hasn't pitched. And Verlander won the Cy Young last time he pitched in a year with a juiced ball that ran up everyone's HR counts. And Verlander was plenty good before sticky stuff was even a thing and guys like Charlie Morton who turned their career around in Houston have been fine on other teams without sticky stuff too. Cole was always the poster boy for it. Not saying Verlander didn't touch it, but there's less evidence to suggest his results were driven by substances.

                        Verlander may be the last pitcher we ever see throw 3000 career innings pitched (he's 12 innings away). Scherzer needs 3 more seasons to have a chance given he's at 2536.2. I can't imagine anyone else ever getting up there maybe Cole (almost halfway there) if we get REALLY lucky. So yes pitchers in their late 30's are not guys you want to take injury risks on, but if you were going to do it for anyone Verlander is a unique case. He's not Corey Kluber who had a streak of 5 excellent years of 200+ innings before his body broke down.

                        In an offseason when Heaney gets 8.5M from a WS contender, Syndergaard gets 22M, the 25M JV just got doesn't look so bad by comparison. I'm happy for the Yankees to look elsewhere (trades primarily), but if you were going to take a shot on a short term deal and weren't willing to pay the extra for Scherzer who has been healthy, there were worse gambles to take, by far.
                        Agreed.

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                          #2712
                          If andrelton simmons is signed, I'm out
                          Listen to the bell Grossbard, it tolls for thee.

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                            #2713
                            Hal Steinbrenner being quoted as supporting lowering the Luxury Tax threshold should be alarming to Yankees fans. Cashman should not be the GM going forward, but Yankees fans, a bigger problem is we might have an owner that shouldn't own the team going forward.

                            It appears that NYC sports franchises across the different sports all have one common denominator which is bad ownership. That's the worst thing to happen to any fanbase.
                            NYYFANS: See you on the other side!

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                              #2714
                              Originally posted by Yankees1962 View Post
                              Hal Steinbrenner being quoted as supporting lowering the Luxury Tax threshold should be alarming to Yankees fans. Cashman should not be the GM going forward, but Yankees fans, a bigger problem is we might have an owner that shouldn't own the team going forward.

                              It appears that NYC sports franchises across the different sports all have one common denominator which is bad ownership. That's the worst thing to happen to any fanbase.
                              Just read the quotes and I can't imagine them signing either of the big free agent shortstops. If anything I think we'll use prospect capital to take players off of teams cutting payroll.

                              This does not bode well long-term. Our GM hasn't been able to succeed without a huge payroll advantage and the owner cares more about his bottom line than winning (and honestly I'm not convinced he's any good at maximizing profits either!).

                              All of these billionaire owners are awful.

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                                #2715
                                By the way, I'm glad the Yankees aren't signing Verlander for that amount of money and loss draft choice. Not at his age and coming back from such an injury.
                                NYYFANS: See you on the other side!

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