2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[jnewmark]

Few of us would want Verlander at that contract.

And yet, some are complaining that Cashman didn't offer a second year. Interesting.

[Strategerie]

Just curious here. Would you have wanted him for two years for 50 mil ?

Not just that but with an opt out after the first year (I think).

Had Cashman signed him for a similar contract as the Astros, I think he would have also gotten attacked here for (a) bad use of funds, (b) signing another question mark coming off of major injury, (c) signing an aging player, (d) getting someone unproven since the Spider Tack crackdown, ...

Feels to me that critique was headed Cashman's way regardless.

For me, this is a sign at how much the Yankees are willing to spend. This signing would have taken their payroll to $250M even without a SS resolution. It also shows that they think Verlander has a good probability of being an ace next year. The Yanks don't even really need starting pitching with German as their current 6th man (being a good looking top 5) and many prospects behind that (Gil, Medina, Deivi if he can re-find himself, Clarke Schmidt, maybe JP Sears, ...).

I'm worried that we will lose a lot of cost controlled players for pennies on the dollar this offseason. I see that already with Sands, Frazier, and Greg Allen. I'm not psyched about possibly losing Lockridge and/or Breaux thru the rule 5 draft. It's amazing how many good prospects we have despite the trade deadline moves (and hopefully we are picking the right ones to keep).

[newhampfan]

Not just that but with an opt out after the first year (I think).

Had Cashman signed him for a similar contract as the Astros, I think he would have also gotten attacked here for (a) bad use of funds, (b) signing another question mark coming off of major injury, (c) signing an aging player, (d) getting someone unproven since the Spider Tack crackdown, ...

Feels to me that critique was headed Cashman's way regardless.

For me, this is a sign at how much the Yankees are willing to spend. This signing would have taken their payroll to $250M even without a SS resolution. It also shows that they think Verlander has a good probability of being an ace next year. The Yanks don't even really need starting pitching with German as their current 6th man (being a good looking top 5) and many prospects behind that (Gil, Medina, Deivi if he can re-find himself, Clarke Schmidt, maybe JP Sears, ...).

I'm worried that we will lose a lot of cost controlled players for pennies on the dollar this offseason. I see that already with Sands, Frazier, and Greg Allen. I'm not psyched about possibly losing Lockridge and/or Breaux thru the rule 5 draft. It's amazing how many good prospects we have despite the trade deadline moves (and hopefully we are picking the right ones to keep).

I consider the Rule 5 an unfair system for fans: good maybe for the players who otherwise get trapped into another two years or whatever, but crappy for the team that pays to train and teach them, not to mention for the fans who follow them through the minors and prefer a major-league team that has a continuing "identity," which is harder and harder to maintain these days thanks to the profligacy of free agent movements..

[sd.]

And yet, some are complaining that Cashman didn't offer a second year. Interesting.

I'm glad they didn't get him.
I'm saying offering $10M/1 year when he has a qualifying offer in hand is beyond stupid.
I'm saying offering $25M/2 year when he has a $50M/2year offer in hand is also stupid.

I don't think those things are contradictory.

[jnewmark]

I'm glad they didn't get him.
I'm saying offering $10M/1 year when he has a qualifying offer in hand is beyond stupid.
I'm saying offering $25M/2 year when he has a $50M/2year offer in hand is also stupid.

I don't think those things are contradictory.

I'm still trying to find where it was reported that they offered 10 mil. Got a link ? And when did they offer him the two year deal, I thought it was only one ?

[JDPNYY]

Yes, and poorly too. I lost count of the awful takes even before the '"scouts" showed up.

People read this crap and think how great it is that St Brian is steering this ship.

[sd.]

Until we know what the new CBA is, I assume the Yankees are going to have to dip under every 3 or 4 years. I don't think the owners want to change that structure. Given the Yankees have Cole, Stanton and DJLM already, I can understand the appeal of short deals that will expire before that next reset. I just don't like Verlander. His age, his injury history, his resurgence driven by his arrival in Houston are all major concerns for me.

For my money, I'd go after Scherzer and try to convince him on a shorter 2 or 3 year deal by throwing higher AAV at him.

[OhSoSlick]

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[sd.]

Just wanted to introduce myself.

Names Rich. Yankees fan since 1985(born and raised), long Islander.

Looking forward to chatting with yall.

Welcome! I'm not the newest anymore! Good people here. Just dive right in.

I agree, I think it's time to move on from Gardner.

I like you already.

[bucky]

People read this crap and think how great it is that St Brian is steering this ship.

All this PR gets a me upset. I think Wells K% was 30% at AFL. On pinstrip alley....

"The other player headed to Philly in that trade was a bit more of a head-scratcher. Donny Sands had an .816 OPS in 42 games at Triple-A last season and was the closest Yankees catching prospect to the bigs. With the likes of Austin Wells and Josh Breaux at least a year away from the majors, Sands’ departure appears to solidify Gary Sánchez’s role as starting catcher and Kyle Higashioka’s as backup."

In response to Matt's post on my opinion. My top priority is to get a Starting Catcher - anybody. I don't want either Sanchez or Higgy on the roster next year. IMO Trading Sands was a mistake. I know it came down to numbers and all of us would make different choices. I would choose Sands over Higgy and even Sanchez. Our analytics/scouts are not good.

[sd.]

I'm still trying to find where it was reported that they offered 10 mil. Got a link ? And when did they offer him the two year deal, I thought it was only one ?

That was a typo. They offered him a $25/1 not a $25/2 sorry.

As for the $10M/1 that was a few weeks ago but a quick google found...
https://twitter.com/ragazzoreport/st...50956792176645

[NelsonMuntz]

Yes, and poorly too. I lost count of the awful takes even before the '"scouts" showed up.

I will always be a Yankee fan, but it gets harder and harder to be enthusiastic about this organization every time I read one of these pieces that were clearly fed to the media to pump up Brian Cashman’s genius decision making.

[matt2351]

Moderator Post - It would be great if a certain segment of folks here wouldn't get offended at every criticism of the team and would stop, almost exclusively, posting about the opinions of other community members rather than offering their own.

[jnewmark]

That was a typo. They offered him a $25/1 not a $25/2 sorry.

As for the $10M/1 that was a few weeks ago but a quick google found...
https://twitter.com/ragazzoreport/st...50956792176645

Thanks. Here's a quote from that tweet " They were said to have DISCUSSED a 10 mil offer... ". Even if true, not the same as officially making the offer to the player, no ?

[sd.]

Thanks. Here's a quote from that tweet " They were said to have DISCUSSED a 10 mil offer... ". Even if true, not the same as officially making the offer to the player, no ?

When he had a QO in hand, formally offering or merely mentioning you are interested at that price are both kind of clueless to the situation.