2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[Strategerie]

Baez close to signing Mets or tigers

If he goes for a $20M AAV, this is the SS I want the Yankees to get (if they will get one of the big 5 options). I'm guessing he will go for more though.

[Strategerie]

Interesting targets, here's my initial reaction:

• With Soler dealt away, I would think if the Royals were smart they'd move Perez (who is terrible behind the plate) to DH and give Melendez a shot at C.
• Lopez is a fine SS but not a game changer like some of the FA targets; if they are going to potentially block their own highly touted SS in the system I wouldn't do it unless for someone of Correa's / Seager's caliber.
• Aside from Schmidt and to a lesser degree Wells, the players going to the Royals have depreciated value; I would think if the Royals wanted to move a very good shortstop, one of their top prospects who happens to be a LH hitting C who put up a >1 OPS between AA and AAA and is strong defensively, and their closer they could probably get a better deal elsewhere.

I really like Melendez as a target though and would love to see Cashman figure something out there.

I agree that:

1 I love a guy like Melendez as a target. Wells and one of German/Gil/Schmidt/Medina?

2. What the Yankees are giving up here is likely too little

More broadly, I'd prefer that we use our assets to get up and coming players versus established stars (eg, maybe a guy like Abrams from the Padres). I also wouldn't mind if we just rolled the dice on Peraza/Volpe/Cabrera/Urshela as our options for next year at SS versus risk a long term albatross contract 3+ years down the road (although Cashman's comments will make it hard for the fan base to feel good about this)

[Strategerie]

I think the Yankees probably have the 2nd or maybe 3rd highest payroll in all of MLB over the last 5 or 10 years. I don't get this critique of their "small market approach". To me, it's just wise to try to optimize your payroll whether it's $50M or $250M. I expect their 2022 payroll to be about $250M barring some strange CBA outcome - if that's their number, I hope they spend it as wisely as possible, with consideration of the short term and long term (since my plan is to be a Yankee fan not just in 2022 but for many years beyond that).

[Benefactor]

Harper already lubing us for Cashman' imminent dumpster diving since the small-market Yankees are poor don't have money to spend:

https://sny.tv/articles/10-free-agen...1-22-offseason

Small market Yankees? The Yankees have one of the highest payrolls in baseball. It's not about the money being spent, it's about money allocation. Clearly, they're spending money. They're just spending it haphazardly.

[Chaz]

Marte to Mets. Hal, if you are foolish to retain Cashman then you need to spend $275M per year.

Man, it sure hurts being a Yankee fan these days.

[primetime714]

Marte to Mets. Hal, if you are foolish to retain Cashman then you need to spend $275M per year.

Man, it sure hurts being a Yankee fan these days.

Can’t say I would’ve gone 4 years on Marte. Great player but it’s at least one year too long for me, could see the effects of age any time especially playing up the middle.

Michael Conforto is an interesting option for the Yankees OF now. Curious what his market looks like after the down year. I’d feel great about him in LF, Gallo in CF, Judge in RF.

Cedric Mullins who the O’s are apparently listening on is even more interesting, great fit for the Yankees checks all the boxes (lefty, speed, defense, young, cost controlled), wouldn’t hesitate to deal a package led by Volpe, but think it might be too steep if they also asked for the Martian. Although you’d have to consider it especially if you felt Mullins will definitely sustain his or build on his 2021 performance

[Strategerie]

Marte to Mets. Hal, if you are foolish to retain Cashman then you need to spend $275M per year.

Man, it sure hurts being a Yankee fan these days.

The only deals that I've seen that I wish we could have gotten are for Pina and for Belt (can't believe he accepted the QO).

It's not a terrible signing but I don't love Marte at that price.

Apparently, Mullins is also being made available. He is someone I wanted back in May 2020 but not now. I believe in buying low and selling high. Getting Mullins now would require buying high IMO.

So far, my favorite trade candidates are probably Jose Ramirez or a very strong catcher or SS prospect who is blocked at the big league level.

My favorite free agent options include Suzuki, maybe Baez (or even Story), maybe another run at Kluber (which would likely make some Yankee fans' heads explode),....

On the sell side, I'd like to see us move on from Sanchez, Aroldis (eating 2ish M), Miggy, and possibly Gleyber and/or German (depending on their current value). I don't want to move on from Hicks or Voit (who I think are better than they seem to be currently valued).

I'd also like to see us pursue extensions or trades for guys approaching free agency (Taillon, Judge, Chad Green, maybe Monty (for an extension),...).

Should be a fascinating offseason.

[Yankees1962]

Marte to Mets. Hal, if you are foolish to retain Cashman then you need to spend $275M per year.

Man, it sure hurts being a Yankee fan these days.

I wouldn't have made that signing of four years for Marte. Furthermore, being a Yankees fan these days isn't hurtful at all compared to many other fanbases.

[Yankees1962]

Cedric Mullins who the O’s are apparently listening on is even more interesting, great fit for the Yankees checks all the boxes (lefty, speed, defense, young, cost controlled), wouldn’t hesitate to deal a package led by Volpe, but think it might be too steep if they also asked for the Martian. Although you’d have to consider it especially if you felt Mullins will definitely sustain his or build on his 2021 performance

There is no way I make that trade because the Orioles will demand an overpay for Mullins especially from the Yankees.

[newhampfan]

I wouldn't have made that signing of four years for Marte. Furthermore, being a Yankees fan these days isn't hurtful at all compared to many other fanbases.

I would if it meant we wouldn't have to endure another year of Gardner. Four years isn't that much to take on if for three years Marte hits .300 or over and steals bases etc. Right now, the Mets and other teams are improving their rosters while Cashman keeps doing the dog paddle or dwelling on climbing buildings.

[yank4life2005]

4 years is way too much for Marte. Keirmaier is available and wouldn't mind what is left on his contract if the team can work out a trade.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

Small market Yankees? The Yankees have one of the highest payrolls in baseball. It's not about the money being spent, it's about money allocation. Clearly, they're spending money. They're just spending it haphazardly.

I thought my sarcasm was rather obvious...

And for a team consistently generating the most revenue of any team in the sport, year after year, there’s no excuse for anyone to be outspending them for elite talent.

[Portbb]

Four years for Marte puts him thru his age 36 season. Not terrible. For comparison, Aaron Hicks has an option thru his age 36 season.
Judge will, at age 31 if they don’t extend him soon, want a contract way after his age 36 season.

[sd.]

It will be great when the Yankees announce Gardner and Didi are back that they looked at other options but teams wanted too much or the price was too high. Because they just can’t afford to do things other teams like the Mets do.

[newhampfan]

Four years for Marte puts him thru his age 36 season. Not terrible. For comparison, Aaron Hicks has an option thru his age 36 season.
Judge will, at age 31 if they don’t extend him soon, want a contract way after his age 36 season.

And Cashman keeps coming back to the 39 yr old Whathisname year after year after year.