2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[Yankyfan]

Who would you rather spend $8M-$13M on - Tanaka or Kluber?

Who's more likely to throw 140 innings?

Between the two I'd have to think Tanaka is more of a certainty.

I'd still rather spend $20M on Rodon (2yrs/$40M) or trade for Sean Manaea

By spending $$ on Rodon, they might be able to keep German or use him in a different trade package.

It's also possible they could trade for Manaea and sign Tanaka.

Cole-Manaea-Severino-Tanaka-Taillon-Montgomery seems like a pretty strong rotation compared to Cole-Rodon-Severino-Taillon-Montgomery-German.

Severino, Tanaka and Taillon would all benefit from a 6-man rotation IMO.

In either rotation the 6 starters should be able to go 900 innings in 2022.

I have liked Manea since the draft. LOL I guess Tanaka over Kluber but always think about that tear.

[Bauer]

I have liked Manea since the draft. LOL I guess Tanaka over Kluber but always think about that tear.

But n.b.. from ESPN: The Tampa Bay Rays and free-agent right-hander Corey Kluber have agreed to a one-year contract, according to multiple reports.

[sjb23]

I have liked Manea since the draft. LOL I guess Tanaka over Kluber but always think about that tear.

IMO that tear made Tanaka give up trying to throw 95+mph FBs and learn how to successfully nibble - he has really good command when he's on, and my guess is he's not exerting his arm as much as pre-tear years.

For a year or two, I can see the Yanks taking a chance, but shouldn't really count on him to be anything more than a #4 starter that can make about 25 starts and keep his team in the game most of the time.

[TheStraw]

https://ballnine.com/2021/11/27/noisy/

Does not paint a pretty picture. I guess Kiernan feels the way the rest of us do...

[TexasYank23]

Buxton and twin agree on a nine year extension - they’re going to shove Hicks and Gardner down our throat again aren’t they

[Zimmer's Helmet]

Buxton and twin agree on a nine year extension - they’re going to shove Hicks and Gardner down our throat again aren’t they

Was there ever any doubt?

We’ll get the usual BS about how they put their best foot forward, the lack of affordable options in the marketplace, and hey, Hicks is healthy - played winter ball!

[TexasYank23]

Semien to the Rangers

[Tock Ada Shot]

And this is by their own design. They have communicated to their fanbase (and all potential new fans) that they are a unique entity in MLB. They have heavily marketed their 27 championships and made it core to their brand identity. They not only communicate their unique history to the public, but also how this unique history informs the way they operate. They continually repeat the old stanza about expecting championships every season. Hal (unconvincingly in my estimation) communicates these things whenever he is interviewed. When these things are repeatedly conveyed to fans and those in the process of becoming fans (mostly at a very young age) it then forms part of the basis of this relationship - it is de facto an agreement upon which said fandom is contingent. Again, this isn't about spoiled fans. This is about a sustained marketing and communications program undertaken by the organization itself over many decades.

When the organization then acts in ways seen as antithetical to these communications and agreements, fans become upset - they feel they are being betrayed. I want to reiterate that being a fan is a relationship. For some folks it is one of the most intense relationships of their lives. Relationships have to work in two directions or they cease to properly function. For me (and seemingly for many other fans) the team is operating in ways that violate one of the tacit agreements upon which our fandom was forged and it is distressing.

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. Appreciate it.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

Rangers give Semien 7-years.

No way does Correa or Seager get less than 10 years, effectively ending the Yankees pursuit of both players (if they were ever in to begin with).

[jpao89]

Was there ever any doubt?

We’ll get the usual BS about how they put their best foot forward, the lack of affordable options in the marketplace, and hey, Hicks is healthy - played winter ball!

What the heck is wrong with you people?!?! Don’t you realize what an astounding baseball mind we have as our GM. And if that mind put together a team last year that didn’t perform, it’s reality that is warped not Brian Cashman. And to prove it, he will put the same product on the field to show you and reality just how wrong it is.

[Bauer]

Was there ever any doubt?

We’ll get the usual BS about how they put their best foot forward, the lack of affordable options in the marketplace, and hey, Hicks is healthy - played winter ball!

I guess there are golf courses there too. From what I read, he seems to like golf a lot. Maybe too much for his baseball good.

[ymike673]

Someone should post a list of all the available players we might want to see on the Yankees. Then we can put a check mark after each one's name when they go to another team.

[ymike673]

What the heck is wrong with you people?!?! Don’t you realize what an astounding baseball mind we have as our GM. And if that mind put together a team last year that didn’t perform, it’s reality that is warped not Brian Cashman. And to prove it, he will put the same product on the field to show you and reality just how wrong it is.

What do you mean? Weren't the Yankees the AL #2 WC Champions last season. How can anyone complain about the great job Cashman did putting that team together.

[ojo]

I'm bummed re: Buxton. Dude's upside is Mike Trout. 7 years, $100m for that level of skillset? To hell with injuries, you roll those dice every damn day.

[philleotardo]

I'm bummed re: Buxton. Dude's upside is Mike Trout. 7 years, $100m for that level of skillset? To hell with injuries, you roll those dice every damn day.

I’m a little surprised he took it, unless he’s sitting at home with a destroyed ACL and hasn’t told the team.