2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[ymike673]

I have no inside information. I've never met Hal or Cashman. I don't have anyone's phone tapped. All THAT being said, the following is based entirely on feel, and is completely devoid of fact.

I fear that Hal is completely oblivious to the fact that he owns the New York Yankees. I get the impression that he couldn't name more than a small handful of players on the roster. He knows what the cash flow looks like, but I honestly doubt he pays much attention to the box scores. DJ LeMahieu or Gio Urshela could knock on Hal's door, and Hal would have no clue who it was.

If that's remotely true, we can expect more of the same. He can't fire Cashman, because he has no clue how to hire someone to be the General Manager, and wouldn't know where to look for a candidate. He gives Cashman a budget for expenditures, and cashes the checks. Wins? Losses? Unimportant. Watchability of the assembled team? Inconsequential. Where the Yankees fall in the standings? Trivial. Profit? Oh.......he follows that one.

George was a fan. [A fan with a lot of money in the bank.] He knew who was performing, and who wasn't. He knew whether the Yankees won or lost the day before. He knew whether the Yankees were in first place, and if not, where they were in the standings and how many games behind. I just don't get the impression that Hal is aware of any of these things.

And when virtually every member of our little NYYFans community are significantly more impassioned fans of the team than ownership is, we shouldn't expect anything joyful to happen.

I hope I'm wrong here.

Unfortunately you are right. And based on Cashman's apparently lifetime tenure I might say we are saddled with the least interested owner in all of baseball.

[ClownPickle]

Any chance the Yankees will break the bank for Correa?

I would doubt it. I would imagine Correa's agent will be looking for Lindor money, and Correa is much better.

Cashman likes to spread the money he has available on mediocre players and relief pitching.

[Yankee Tripper]

Priority should be
Short Stop - spend money on one of the good one, preferably Seager or Correa.
Figure out catcher trade would be ideal.
Make a decision on 1B whether that is Voit again, resign Rizzo, go after different FA, or trade.
Add a starter, preferably one of Scherzer, Ray, Gausman

I doubt they open the check book that but that would improve the team greatly.

[jnewmark]

I have no inside information. I've never met Hal or Cashman. I don't have anyone's phone tapped. All THAT being said, the following is based entirely on feel, and is completely devoid of fact.

I fear that Hal is completely oblivious to the fact that he owns the New York Yankees. I get the impression that he couldn't name more than a small handful of players on the roster. He knows what the cash flow looks like, but I honestly doubt he pays much attention to the box scores. DJ LeMahieu or Gio Urshela could knock on Hal's door, and Hal would have no clue who it was.

If that's remotely true, we can expect more of the same. He can't fire Cashman, because he has no clue how to hire someone to be the General Manager, and wouldn't know where to look for a candidate. He gives Cashman a budget for expenditures, and cashes the checks. Wins? Losses? Unimportant. Watchability of the assembled team? Inconsequential. Where the Yankees fall in the standings? Trivial. Profit? Oh.......he follows that one.

George was a fan. [A fan with a lot of money in the bank.] He knew who was performing, and who wasn't. He knew whether the Yankees won or lost the day before. He knew whether the Yankees were in first place, and if not, where they were in the standings and how many games behind. I just don't get the impression that Hal is aware of any of these things.

And when virtually every member of our little NYYFans community are significantly more impassioned fans of the team than ownership is, we shouldn't expect anything joyful to happen.

I hope I'm wrong here.

I don't disagree with you, but, today, how many owners are really that different from Hal ? You don't see owners like George , getting all jacked up about the games, having heart attacks and temper tantrums when they lose, getting actively involved in trades, free agent negotiations, etc., anymore. They are all in it for the money, more than anything, imho.

[effdamets]

I would doubt it. I would imagine Correa's agent will be looking for Lindor money, and Correa is much better.

Cashman likes to spread the money he has available on mediocre players and relief pitching.

Point taken.

[ymike673]

I don't disagree with you, but, today, how many owners are really that different from Hal ? You don't see owners like George , getting all jacked up about the games, having heart attacks and temper tantrums when they lose, getting actively involved in trades, free agent negotiations, etc., anymore. They are all in it for the money, more than anything, imho.

100% true. But you don't see other owners pretty much completely divorce themselves from running their team. Any other GMs out there with the same team for 24 years?

[Yankees1962]

100% true. But you don't see other owners pretty much completely divorce themselves from running their team. Any other GMs out there with the same team for 24 years?

I guess you don't approve of Hal as as owner?

[jnewmark]

100% true. But you don't see other owners pretty much completely divorce themselves from running their team. Any other GMs out there with the same team for 24 years?

Well, to be fair, Hal wasn't the owner for all of those 24 years, but I get your point. And you already know about Ed Barrow. I said before that I think Hal doesn't know much about the game at all, and like Maynerd, I think he needs his own special, baseball advisers, other than Cashman, to help him out. Will he do that ? Ever hopeful.

[Yankee Tripper]

100% true. But you don't see other owners pretty much completely divorce themselves from running their team. Any other GMs out there with the same team for 24 years?

For current GMs, next closest is Mike Rizzo, Nats hired in 2009.

Brian Sabien was GM for 18 years before moving to"head of baseball division" then "executive VP"

Billy Bean was GM from 1997-2015 before moving to Executive VP and handing D2D GM to long term assistant GM Frost.

So long tenured GMs do happen, they are usually the exception rather than the rule.

According to wiki only 4 current GMs were hired before 2015.

[NelsonMuntz]

I would doubt it. I would imagine Correa's agent will be looking for Lindor money, and Correa is much better.

Cashman likes to spread the money he has available on mediocre players and relief pitching.

Truth.

[WSorBUST]

Baltimore is going to start getting really good as well. They are doing what the Astros did and it works.

[ymike673]

For current GMs, next closest is Mike Rizzo, Nats hired in 2009.

Brian Sabien was GM for 18 years before moving to"head of baseball division" then "executive VP"

Billy Bean was GM from 1997-2015 before moving to Executive VP and handing D2D GM to long term assistant GM Frost.

So long tenured GMs do happen, they are usually the exception rather than the rule.

According to wiki only 4 current GMs were hired before 2015.

And how often do they happen with a team with unlimited resources that has made it to the series once in 19 years and 1 division title in 9 years? Most owners would have made changes with a record like that.

[ymike673]

Baltimore is going to start getting really good as well. They are doing what the Astros did and it works.

Can't wait for Cashman to say they only finished behind 4 other teams in the AL East.

[Portbb]

In their franchise history, the Yankees, who I think most would agree have been, in the aggregate, the best team in that 1903-2021 period, are 52-28 in postseason series ( I threw out the 4 WC one and done games from 2015-21).

52-28 seems kinda un-crapshoot-ish to me, given the quality of opposition over the years and the hefty sample size of games involved. Granted they started out 16-4, but 36-24 since then is still .600.

Since playoffs are a crapshoot, Brian, shouldn't they be more like 41-39 or something?

Cashman has been skilled at conflating the fact that playoff results show more VOLATILITY than the regular season -- who really thinks 4 of 7 is a better test than 162? -- with the fiction that playoffs are a CRAPSHOOT, which suggests complete randomness. It's a subtle distinction but important, and easy to exploit if you're trying to put something over on people.

All this is true. Since the mlb draft was instituted in 1965 however the rules changed. No more giving any player you want a contract. Then eventually Free Agency.


Since the mlb draft the Yankees have won 7 titles. In the last 56 years. More of a crapshoot today, especially with several rounds of playoffs. Twenty titles when the first place team went right to the series.

[yank4life2005]

Nothing big will happen until the next CBA is finalized. Most teams will need to see what the new CBT limits are.