2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[ThePinStripes]

You didnt ask me to compare him to them previously but he is injured all of the time - not many people are injured more than Luis Severino though. We don't need to be running a team of players out there who are constantly unavailable for weeks at a time.

Ugh... that's exactly what you do when you prioritize things.

If the goal is to stop "running a team of players out there who are constantly unavailable for weeks at a time," shouldn't they replace the players who are most injured first?

[primetime714]

Eh, I have no problem with this. It is probably the right move. If the As are waiting for Freeman to move to put pressure on trade suitors, don't let them. Make a move for Freeman. It might not work but don't sit back and allow yourself to be forced into a bad situation.

Same with Freeman. I'd the Braves aren't getting traction, check out Olson. All 4 sides will get more information on their alternatives and it helps everyone figure out where to land on contracts and trade packages.

My problem with this is why target 1b? I understand not spending big for SS ( I really do) but the secondary target should be CF and SP. You already have a serviceable option in Voit. Out of Gio, Hicks, Sevy, Sanchez, and Voit I have the most faith in Voit.

I agree to an extent, I think Voit is at least arguably if not definitely the 3rd best hitter on the roster right now. His defense is terrible and I'm not a 1B defense guy, but the difference between him and Rizzo was very evident. Plus its looking like we may need a pinch hitter for the SS and C position (although they won't pinch hit for Gary even though they should).

In theory you could get away with Voit as a role player that plays 1B/DH/PH with a decent lefty defensive partner in the mix. The problem however is they really need a left handed bat capable of hitting between Judge and Stanton and they let the only good one in FA (Seager) that plays the position they need (SS) and a non-1B position go already. So we're in a way forced to move on from Voit because the lefty bat we need almost has to come from 1B (Freeman, Olson, Rizzo). I guess in theory you could trade the farm for Bryan Reynolds, but that seems highly unlikely and given things have gone quiet since we heard about the Yankees kicking the tires there it means that they were almost undoubtedly far apart on that which is to be expected. If they're willing to move Gallo to CF they could maybe find a lefty LF but that means committing to Stanton as the everyday DH meaning Voit has to play 1B only. Even if they were willing to play Stanton in LF and Gallo in CF more often to allow Voit to DH, it still wouldn't be everyday. I mean they played Brett Gardner over Voit are they really going to bench Hicks (or Gardner again) in favor of that defensive alignment? Unlikely.

So as much as I like Voit its hard to find a role for him on the team. Its sad to sell low on him, but that's the corner they backed themselves into with the poor roster management.

[sd.]

You didnt ask me to compare him to them previously but he is injured all of the time - not many people are injured more than Luis Severino though. We don't need to be running a team of players out there who are constantly unavailable for weeks at a time.

I don't disagree but this team has a lot of holes. I put Voit at 4th or 5th on what should be addressed. I put CF and SP over him.

[ThePinStripes]

I agree to an extent, I think Voit is at least arguably if not definitely the 3rd best hitter on the roster right now. His defense is terrible and I'm not a 1B defense guy, but the difference between him and Rizzo was very evident. Plus its looking like we may need a pinch hitter for the SS and C position (although they won't pinch hit for Gary even though they should).

In theory you could get away with Voit as a role player that plays 1B/DH/PH with a decent lefty defensive partner in the mix. The problem however is they really need a left handed bat capable of hitting between Judge and Stanton and they let the only good one in FA (Seager) that plays the position they need (SS) and a non-1B position go already. So we're in a way forced to move on from Voit because the lefty bat we need almost has to come from 1B (Freeman, Olson, Rizzo). I guess in theory you could trade the farm for Bryan Reynolds, but that seems highly unlikely and given things have gone quiet since we heard about the Yankees kicking the tires there it means that they were almost undoubtedly far apart on that which is to be expected. If they're willing to move Gallo to CF they could maybe find a lefty LF but that means committing to Stanton as the everyday DH meaning Voit has to play 1B only. Even if they were willing to play Stanton in LF and Gallo in CF more often to allow Voit to DH, it still wouldn't be everyday. I mean they played Brett Gardner over Voit are they really going to bench Hicks (or Gardner again) in favor of that defensive alignment? Unlikely.

So as much as I like Voit its hard to find a role for him on the team. Its sad to sell low on him, but that's the corner they backed themselves into with the poor roster management.

I agree. He's a great player that doesn't really fit in super well due to Cashman's roster mismanagement. However, he definitely shouldn't be the first priority for an upgrade. CF, SS, Catcher, TOR pitcher and even closer are more pressing IMO.

At least Voit can hit. Current SS and Catcher options can't hit or play defense. There isn't even a CF on the team unless you remember who the heck Aaron Hicks is.

[Spinner129]

Ugh... that's exactly what you do when you prioritize things.

If the goal is to stop "running a team of players out there who are constantly unavailable for weeks at a time," shouldn't they replace the players who are most injured first?

Yes I am aware that is what "you do when you prioritize things" - you are losing value on DJL's contract (which doesnt look like a tremendous deal by Cashman to begin with) by playing him there and you are also losing his defensive value by playing him out of position. It also screws up the entire defensive disposition of the rest of the IF by not having a proper 1B there. Do you want to throw some more money down the drain with DJL and continue to clog the DH spot with injury prone players like Voit or move on?

This idea that we even have to prioritize is preposterous.

[Spinner129]

I don't disagree but this team has a lot of holes. I put Voit at 4th or 5th on what should be addressed. I put CF and SP over him.

You can move on from the idea of CF being addressed. They are going to play Hicks. Voit is clearly going to be moved so who do you want there?

[PinStriper44]

Lol.

Cashman and Hal: Its the player's fault
Cashman and Hal one month later: Let's bring back the same players

SMH. Totally. lol

[sd.]

You can move on from the idea of CF being addressed. They are going to play Hicks. Voit is clearly going to be moved so who do you want there?

Whoever our new GM decides is best.

Honestly, I have no idea what you are objecting to with what I said. I'm not even sure you remember the points I was making.

[Spinner129]

Whoever our new GM decides is best.

Honestly, I have no idea what you are objecting to with what I said. I'm not even sure you remember the points I was making.

Oh I clearly understood that you were very confused about why they would target 1b. I tried to explain to you why they would do so. Your points were pretty forgettable (such as thinking Luke Voit is a serviceable 1st basemen when he's one of the worst in the entire league defensively) so forgive me if I didn't address them to your satisfaction.

[yank4life2005]

SD has a surplus of catchers now since they picked up Alfaro. Campusano would be great but doubt Cashman goes that route.

[NelsonMuntz]

Lol.

Cashman and Hal: Its the player's fault
Cashman and Hal one month later: Let's bring back the same players

It seems so absurd when you see it in writing but this is what they are actually doing. I've been saying for weeks that they are going to roll out the same team + Simmons at SS. At best we might get Olson at 1B if Rizzo is too expensive. So it will essentially be the same team that nearly finished 4th in their own division, but we're supposed to trust "the process". Mind you the architect of this "process" has produced one World Series title in 20 years.

[primetime714]

I agree. He's a great player that doesn't really fit in super well due to Cashman's roster mismanagement. However, he definitely shouldn't be the first priority for an upgrade. CF, SS, Catcher, TOR pitcher and even closer are more pressing IMO.

At least Voit can hit. Current SS and Catcher options can't hit or play defense. There isn't even a CF on the team unless you remember who the heck Aaron Hicks is.

I agree when you look at the needs by position. However I feel like if you think beyond positions the lefty #3 hitter bat is probably priority #1. This is why I really wanted Seager even though he's not the best SS he checks off the top need and another key need.

My top needs in order are:
1a) Lefty #3 bat
1b) Top of the rotation starter- barring a breakout performance or two I just can't see this rotation winning in the playoffs, its a good rotation but not enough.
3) SS
4) upgrade at C
5) upgrade in CF/LF
6) defense at 1B
7) strong bench- this might be too low for this, depth will be crucial

I think if you don't adequately address both 1a and 1b the team is really on hopes and prayers. The offense was clearly not good enough it improved with some lefty bats in Rizzo and Gallo but they were not enough.

[PinStriper44]

F grade for Cashman. He fail.
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/12/y...-analysis.html

That was a good piece.

I love Freddy Freeman but not so much in a Yankee uniform. I would try to retain Izzo but what will we do with Voit?

I am just not a fan of the way Cashman structures the team. Even though he had a good season last year, I think the Stanton trade was the start of a flawed structure (Same with Ellsbury).

Obviously the shortstop position is still a big problem.

I know it doesn't sound like a big deal, but I can't believe we let Kory Kluber sign with Tampa. I thought he was coming on last year and still has potential.

As with others, it seems we will be hoping for a WC with a flawed catcher and questions at shortstop and CF. No strength up the middle.

[BeantownYankee]

It seems so absurd when you see it in writing but this is what they are actually doing. I've been saying for weeks that they are going to roll out the same team + Simmons at SS. At best we might get Olson at 1B if Rizzo is too expensive. So it will essentially be the same team that nearly finished 4th in their own division, but we're supposed to trust "the process". Mind you the architect of this "process" has produced one World Series title in 20 years.

I don't think they even get a 1b, if they sign Simmons they will move Torres to 2b and DJ to first with Luke backing him up, that's the Cashman way, will use whatever money/Allowance Hal gives him to sign more relievers and a revamp project starter. That's his MO. I think he's banking on the lockout and then the mad rush post lockout for players to sign cheaper.

[primetime714]

SD has a surplus of catchers now since they picked up Alfaro. Campusano would be great but doubt Cashman goes that route.

Not sure we'd match up with them in a Campusano trade. They're still trying to win now so they'd presumably only trade him for an impact player that can help them now. I think this was more about injury insurance for Nola who they can also move around to other positions if everyone is healthy and performing.

Caritini might also be the odd man out, but he has an option so they could stash him. Or if we did trade with them he might be a good a 3rd catcher option that we can stash at AAA.