2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[primetime714]

Yup. Yet there is a segment of the Yankees fanbase on Twitter arguing that Boone is better because he's managed 100-win teams.
I miss the days when Yankees fans used to be the most intelligent fans in the game.

Buck is easily a much better manager than Boone, but that’s a low bar and he’s only a mediocre manager overall in my view. I think he was the right choice for the Mets in the sense that he’s a high floor guy and with their roster they need someone steady like that who is less likely to mess things up.

I still think there were better candidates out there so other than it being the Mets not sure why people are upset. I mean Bob Melvin for sure was a better option. And stealing from the Rays (Matt Quataro) vs the ex-manager in the booth spending his time around the Yankees organization and before that was with the O’s also seems like a smarter move. Again the Mets needed a name with a track record that their players and fans would believe in even if he wasn’t the highest upside option. But nothing for us as Yankee fans to be too upset about. I mean get upset about Scherzer not about Buck. Be upset about Boone but Buck was not the ideal replacement just one in a long line of better options

[Portbb]

Buck is easily a much better manager than Boone, but that’s a low bar and he’s only a mediocre manager overall in my view. I think he was the right choice for the Mets in the sense that he’s a high floor guy and with their roster they need someone steady like that who is less likely to mess things up.

I still think there were better candidates out there so other than it being the Mets not sure why people are upset. I mean Bob Melvin for sure was a better option. And stealing from the Rays (Matt Quataro) vs the ex-manager in the booth spending his time around the Yankees organization and before that was with the O’s also seems like a smarter move. Again the Mets needed a name with a track record that their players and fans would believe in even if he wasn’t the highest upside option. But nothing for us as Yankee fans to be too upset about. I mean get upset about Scherzer not about Buck. Be upset about Boone but Buck was not the ideal replacement just one in a long line of better options

The scale is tilting a little from hiring Managers that didn’t manage in MLB to hiring seasoned Managers like Baker, LaRussa and now Showalter. Melvin also chosen over a new candidate.
Last opening is Oakland. We’ll see what they do.

[ymike673]

Buck is easily a much better manager than Boone, but that’s a low bar and he’s only a mediocre manager overall in my view. I think he was the right choice for the Mets in the sense that he’s a high floor guy and with their roster they need someone steady like that who is less likely to mess things up.

I still think there were better candidates out there so other than it being the Mets not sure why people are upset. I mean Bob Melvin for sure was a better option. And stealing from the Rays (Matt Quataro) vs the ex-manager in the booth spending his time around the Yankees organization and before that was with the O’s also seems like a smarter move. Again the Mets needed a name with a track record that their players and fans would believe in even if he wasn’t the highest upside option. But nothing for us as Yankee fans to be too upset about. I mean get upset about Scherzer not about Buck. Be upset about Boone but Buck was not the ideal replacement just one in a long line of better options

Sure there are better options than Buck. What upsets me is our lifetime GM passed on all of them to re sign Boone.

[ROMANLEGION]

Buck is the steady hand that the Mets need to help guide them. Plus, he knows NY. As far as Boone is concerned, I don't think he manages the team, I think he just does what the front office tells him to do.

[primetime714]

Sure there are better options than Buck. What upsets me is our lifetime GM passed on all of them to re sign Boone.

Right, exactly. That was my point.

[False1]

I have no idea what “LOLEMOJI” means, but, OK. You DGAF about TBI. ‘sall good.

It's what you say when someone says something asinine on the upgraded bulletin board that disabled emojis.

This is your shtick, I get it. You are so anxious to make yourself seem so elevated in thought and morals that you smarmily chastise people for things I didn't say. Go back and ready your post, then mine and tell me how, other than wishcasting, you got that I don't care about brain injuries.

We usually get along in the baseball threads because you usually keep this nonsense isolated to the political thread. Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

[ThePinStripes]

Sure there are better options than Buck. What upsets me is our lifetime GM passed on all of them to re sign Boone.

What makes you think Buck was willing to be Cashman's puppet?

[yank4life2005]

There is no way that Buck will allow that with any team. Let's see how long his tenure lasts with the Mets.

[sjb23]

Random Buck Showalter Thoughts:

For quite some time I've been advocating an outside-of-the-box thinking for the Yanks being the only MLB team to have "co-managers". The current front man Aaron Boone would be the media spokesperson/cheerleader/motivator/I got your back, players' manager and Buck would be the on-the-field manager and strategist, the "we're-doing-it-this-way" manager.

Kinda like Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I think if Cashman, Boone and Buck would have sat down in a room together they could have come up with a cohesive game plan and Aaron could/should have agreed to cater to Buck's philosophies just out of respect for Buck's experiences.

Not like a mgr-bench coach pair, but true co-managers with different responsibilities.

But unfortunately, the organization seldomly thinks outside their own box.

I wish Buck well.

Lol maybe Gardner can be the bench coach/ in charge of strength and conditioning and be groomed to be Boone's successor. Would that be an improvement?

[ymike673]

What makes you think Buck was willing to be Cashman's puppet?

My point is Cashman only wants a puppet he can control. Instead of getting an experienced manager to actually manage with no interference. Which is why he passed on better options than Boone. No experienced manager would want to be Cashman's puppet.

[ymike673]

Random Buck Showalter Thoughts:

For quite some time I've been advocating an outside-of-the-box thinking for the Yanks being the only MLB team to have "co-managers". The current front man Aaron Boone would be the media spokesperson/cheerleader/motivator/I got your back, players' manager and Buck would be the on-the-field manager and strategist, the "we're-doing-it-this-way" manager.

Kinda like Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I think if Cashman, Boone and Buck would have sat down in a room together they could have come up with a cohesive game plan and Aaron could/should have agreed to cater to Buck's philosophies just out of respect for Buck's experiences.

Not like a mgr-bench coach pair, but true co-managers with different responsibilities.

But unfortunately, the organization seldomly thinks outside their own box.

I wish Buck well.

Lol maybe Gardner can be the bench coach/ in charge of strength and conditioning and be groomed to be Boone's successor. Would that be an improvement?

I could really see Cashman making Gardner the manager once he is finally too old to play.

[Zimmer's Helmet]

Random Buck Showalter Thoughts:

For quite some time I've been advocating an outside-of-the-box thinking for the Yanks being the only MLB team to have "co-managers". The current front man Aaron Boone would be the media spokesperson/cheerleader/motivator/I got your back, players' manager and Buck would be the on-the-field manager and strategist, the "we're-doing-it-this-way" manager.

Kinda like Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I think if Cashman, Boone and Buck would have sat down in a room together they could have come up with a cohesive game plan and Aaron could/should have agreed to cater to Buck's philosophies just out of respect for Buck's experiences.

Not like a mgr-bench coach pair, but true co-managers with different responsibilities.

But unfortunately, the organization seldomly thinks outside their own box.

I wish Buck well.

Lol maybe Gardner can be the bench coach/ in charge of strength and conditioning and be groomed to be Boone's successor. Would that be an improvement?

What makes you think Buck would go for an arrangement like that? He could just hire a bench coach to be the “good cop” if he needed one. By all accounts, he was hardly a “bad cop” himself - just held players accountable.

[sjb23]

What makes you think Buck would go for an arrangement like that? He could just hire a bench coach to be the “good cop” if he needed one. By all accounts, he was hardly a “bad cop” himself - just held players accountable.

I'm just brainstorming and trying to improve the management team, which we all seem to want.

IMO Buck would probably go for anything that gives him final say-so and makes him a Yankee manager again. I think Boone can continue to be good at what he's good at - PR and cheerleading.

Isn't player accountability something that needs to be improved on in 2022?

I made the good cop/bad cop analogy from a player's perspective. The good cop (Boone) always has their backs, and the bad cop (Buck) holds them accountable for their performance.

It's all moot, I was just sharing my thoughts.

[JDPNYY]

Random Buck Showalter Thoughts:

For quite some time I've been advocating an outside-of-the-box thinking for the Yanks being the only MLB team to have "co-managers". The current front man Aaron Boone would be the media spokesperson/cheerleader/motivator/I got your back, players' manager and Buck would be the on-the-field manager and strategist, the "we're-doing-it-this-way" manager.

Kinda like Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I think if Cashman, Boone and Buck would have sat down in a room together they could have come up with a cohesive game plan and Aaron could/should have agreed to cater to Buck's philosophies just out of respect for Buck's experiences.

Not like a mgr-bench coach pair, but true co-managers with different responsibilities.

But unfortunately, the organization seldomly thinks outside their own box.

I wish Buck well.

Lol maybe Gardner can be the bench coach/ in charge of strength and conditioning and be groomed to be Boone's successor. Would that be an improvement?

Hal won't pay for ball boys. You think he's going to have 2 managers? Plus, Cashman is not an outside the box thinker. He's a three to five years behind the curve idea borrower.

[ymike673]

Hal won't pay for ball boys. You think he's going to have 2 managers? Plus, Cashman is not an outside the box thinker. He's a three to five years behind the curve idea borrower.

100% true.

[sjb23]

Hal won't pay for ball boys. You think he's going to have 2 managers? Plus, Cashman is not an outside the box thinker. He's a three to five years behind the curve idea borrower.

I understand everything you're saying and agree with it. I even mentioned the Yanks aren't outside the box thinkers. I wasn't even hoping the team actually would do this. I was just sharing random thoughts about Buck Showalter & how I think the team could be better managed.