2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[Chaz]

Law from athletic ranks minor league systems. Top 10:
1) Dodgers
2) Mariners
3) diamondbacks
4) rays
5) blue jays.
6) Pirates
7) Royals
8) Guardians (tough getting used to this)
9) Giants
10) Orioles

Dividend Hal’s/Cashman’s Yankees at 22. Meh.

[Mixwell]

Law from athletic ranks minor league systems. Top 10:
1) Dodgers
2) Mariners
3) diamondbacks
4) rays
5) blue jays.
6) Pirates
7) Royals
8) Guardians (tough getting used to this)
9) Giants
10) Orioles

Dividend Hal’s/Cashman’s Yankees at 22. Meh.

It's easier for the Dodgers to build up their farm system because they always draft so high.

- Brian Cashman

[ThePinStripes]

Law from athletic ranks minor league systems. Top 10:
1) Dodgers
2) Mariners
3) diamondbacks
4) rays
5) blue jays.
6) Pirates
7) Royals
8) Guardians (tough getting used to this)
9) Giants
10) Orioles

Dividend Hal’s/Cashman’s Yankees at 22. Meh.

Dodgers are amazing. Of course, Rays too.

[Yankee Tripper]

Dodgers are amazing. Of course, Rays too.

The Dodgers have been incredible at drafting and developing all while being competitive year in and year out and show the willingness to move top prospects to win now.

The Rays from 2014 - 2018 failed to make the playoffs even once, had 4 losing season including a 94 loss campaign. Resulting in many higher draft choices. Plus they sell off most talent before it becomes expensive much like the A's to continually replenish the farm systems. Helps when you can get haul like Glasnow, Meadows & Baz for Archer too.

[sjb23]

Another good read, IMO:

Projecting the Yankees’ starting rotation - Pinstripe Alley

This last point pretty much sums up what I think:

"...it shouldn’t be a surprise if we see them in the top 10, or better, rotations again in 2022. The lack of a clear-cut follower though, a guy that you can give the ball after Cole, crimps down on its ceiling and makes them less dangerous, in my opinion, in the postseason."

[Portbb]

Law from athletic ranks minor league systems. Top 10:
1) Dodgers
2) Mariners
3) diamondbacks
4) rays
5) blue jays.
6) Pirates
7) Royals
8) Guardians (tough getting used to this)
9) Giants
10) Orioles

Dividend Hal’s/Cashman’s Yankees at 22. Meh.

Baseball America ranking from ten years ago 2011-
1-KC
2-Tampa
3-Atl
4-Tor
5-NYY
6-Cinc
7-Cle
8-SD
9-Col
10-Phil

KC, Tor, Tampa and Clev in top 10 ten years apart. Of those 4 KC has 2 WS appearances in the last decade, Tampa 1, Cleveland 1 and Toronto 0 ( they're due).

[bucky]

Baseball America ranking from ten years ago 2011-
1-KC
2-Tampa
3-Atl
4-Tor
5-NYY
6-Cinc
7-Cle
8-SD
9-Col
10-Phil

KC, Tor, Tampa and Clev in top 10 ten years apart. Of those 4 KC has 2 WS appearances in the last decade, Tampa 1, Cleveland 1 and Toronto 0 ( they're due).

Not a knock on Brian but I do like him and I don't know the other clubs history. (the guy is living a baseball fan's dream) Andrew Friedman TB 2005 - 2013 LAD 2014 - present. He really knows how to develop players and this system continues today with Tampa today. And now he has money grooming a GM.

[ymike673]

I guess I can understand why I can hardly ever get a conversation going with my posts. It seems like most folks here are really turned off by how this organization is being run and would rather pour gasoline on the fire, generally speaking, rather than discuss options and possibilities that could improve the club going forward.

I suppose this isn't the time or place to try and talk 2022 Yankee baseball yet.

I get it.

I enjoy reading all the posts about possible moves to improve the team. And I do agree with some of them. But because of Hal and Cashman I no longer believe any major moves will ever happen. Just basically the same thing every year. Just enough moves for a shot at the WC and then hope for the crap shoot.

[RoyWilliams]

I disagree with most everything here ^ although I'm a bit of any optimist.

I think they're going to be spending money after the CBT gets determined. Didn't they offer Scherzer a $25M contract? They're already over the CBT as it stands now, they're not going to try to go under it with as many holes as they need to fill.

IMO Cortez needs to be a #6 or #7 starter and/or a multiple-inning reliever. No way I want to depend on him for 150 IP.

I believe you are in the minority here re: the length of this "work stoppage" - I certainly would rather you be wrong. IMO this will be resolved before March 1. Both sides shouldn't be even considering an opening day being in doubt. I guess negotiations don't get finalized unless their backs are up against a wall.

Greed and Power, Power and Greed. It's the world we live in.

Well come Thursday they will have a press conference that ST will be delayed like they did back in the last lock out 40 years ago. Trust me i do not want to be right about how long but i have said this since August. Plus the owners want a 3rd party to help with the process which the players even said would take 2 or 3 weeks just to pick someone.

We shall see but the 1st step is 2 days away with ST being delayed then in a very short time the start of the season will be delayed. I listed on the radio 40 years ago and it sounded the same then as it does now. But we shall see

[HelloNewman]

Well come Thursday they will have a press conference that ST will be delayed like they did back in the last lock out 40 years ago. Trust me i do not want to be right about how long but i have said this since August. Plus the owners want a 3rd party to help with the process which the players even said would take 2 or 3 weeks just to pick someone.

We shall see but the 1st step is 2 days away with ST being delayed then in a very short time the start of the season will be delayed. I listed on the radio 40 years ago and it sounded the same then as it does now. But we shall see

I mostly agree with you but just a point of order, 40 years ago? The 1994-95 stoppage wiped out the 1994 WS and the 1995 ST.

I initially thought maybe late April or early May for Opening Day but I think I'm in your camp now. They were greedy enough to turn a potential 114 game season into a 60 game season in the Covid summer of 2020 when the country was starving for sports and they could have ruled the sports world for a few months. And since that 60-game McNugget season didn't crush their revenue streams, I doubt they've learned anything.

Totally pulling this out of my butt but I'm thinking July 4-ish for opening day now. And of course they will come in with flags flying and bands playing and tell us how lucky we are that the Great American Game is returning on the Great American Holiday

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as the 1994-1995 strike really hurt the season and in the teams there. But really hope they can put aside their differences and give fans something to cheer about.

[YFIB]

Well come Thursday they will have a press conference that ST will be delayed like they did back in the last lock out 40 years ago. Trust me i do not want to be right about how long but i have said this since August. Plus the owners want a 3rd party to help with the process which the players even said would take 2 or 3 weeks just to pick someone.

We shall see but the 1st step is 2 days away with ST being delayed then in a very short time the start of the season will be delayed. I listed on the radio 40 years ago and it sounded the same then as it does now. But we shall see

I agree with a lot of this article:

These have been glaring problems for years, and it’s hard to fathom that the leadership of the commissioner’s office and the union still cannot find a solution. Yet this lockout has always seemed inevitable because neither side trusts the other or views the sport as a partnership.

If they did, they would have found common-sense answers to the obvious issues and moved on to the hard ones that jeopardize the sport’s long-term health. They should focus on improving the product.

The service time manipulation, for instance, it's obvious, and you'd think even the owners would realize it's bad for the sport in the long run. We all accept it so that our team can get another year of control of a player, but what other sport would keep promising rookies away from opening day for financial reasons? I get that sports leagues are businesses, but this one seems particularly poorly run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/s...b-lockout.html

[Yankee Tripper]

I mostly agree with you but just a point of order, 40 years ago? The 1994-95 stoppage wiped out the 1994 WS and the 1995 ST.

I initially thought maybe late April or early May for Opening Day but I think I'm in your camp now. They were greedy enough to turn a potential 114 game season into a 60 game season in the Covid summer of 2020 when the country was starving for sports and they could have ruled the sports world for a few months. And since that 60-game McNugget season didn't crush their revenue streams, I doubt they've learned anything.

Totally pulling this out of my butt but I'm thinking July 4-ish for opening day now. And of course they will come in with flags flying and bands playing and tell us how lucky we are that the Great American Game is returning on the Great American Holiday

~50 years was the first strike. In the time there have been 5 player strikes and 4 owner lock outs. I suspect Roy Williams was referring to the 1981? Work stoppage.

[ymike673]

~50 years was the first strike. In the time there have been 5 player strikes and 4 owner lock outs. I suspect Roy Williams was referring to the 1981? Work stoppage.

But Roy mentioned a press conference to announce a delay in spring training followed by a season delay. 1972 spring training started on time. The strike came towards the end of spring training. 1981 the strike did not start until mid June. So I can't really understand what season Roy is talking about.

[Yankee Tripper]

But Roy mentioned a press conference to announce a delay in spring training followed by a season delay. 1972 spring training started on time. The strike came towards the end of spring training. 1981 the strike did not start until mid June. So I can't really understand what season Roy is talking about.

1980 caused some spring to be canceled but no regular season games.
1981 was mid season and caused games to be lost but not post season.

since he said 40 years I assumed it was that time frame and not the 94-95 stoppage.