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    Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

    The Yankees' problem isn't an overreliance on analytics (which did win the AL East for the Rays). It's an overreliance on bad analytics.
    Bingo! 100% true. Analytics is not bad. The way the Yankees use it is.

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      Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post
      Hal leaning towards keeping boone: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ne-sources-say

      Please sell the team
      Let's go Islanders.

      I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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        Originally posted by jnewmark View Post
        The 267 mil Dodgers are in trouble.
        Sure. But to be fair why are they playing the Giants in the first round. The team with the best record should be playing the 4th best record in the DS series. Same for the Giants. 107 wins and have to play the 106 win Dodgers. Meanwhile the Brewers play the Braves in the other round.

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          Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post
          Hal leaning towards keeping boone: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ne-sources-say

          Please sell the team
          Cashman told Hal it's hard to find a good puppet.

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            Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

            Cashman told Hal it's hard to find a good puppet.
            We need to start calling Boonie - Lambchop.


            Let's make this so.
            Brian Cashman: "I have no idea."

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              There is a lot to be critical of Cashman for, but being angry for not protecting a 25 year old who hadn't pitched in 18 months while recovering from TJ surgery isn't high on my list.

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                Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post
                I'm not even one of these "anti-analytics" guys, information is good in any organization - but please go get a manager with a feel for the game and understands the nuances of baseball- why is it so hard for the FO to see that.
                And that, to me, is even more strange. Boone comes from a baseball family, both as players and managers. You would think that wealth of experience would have given Boone a leg up. I guess not.
                More people have walked on the moon than have scored an earned run off of Mariano Rivera in the postseason.

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                  Originally posted by JL25and3 View Post

                  The Yankees' problem isn't an overreliance on analytics (which did win the AL East for the Rays). It's an overreliance on bad analytics.
                  It's not just the fact they use analytics, it's the fact they are so reliant on them they do not trust their eyes anymore..

                  For instance, I know the numbers say that a starter going through a lineup for the third time is likely to get in trouble at that point. But likely does not mean "always". If your starter is through 5, has given up 3 runs, and thrown nearly 100 pitches, then I agree that the third time through the lineup is probably going to be bad, and get the relievers in...
                  But if your starter is at 75 pitches, has mowed down the opposition and given up just 1 hit when the third time comes around, then that is one of those times.. 3rd time, 4th time, 5th time.. I don't care, the guy is unhittable today.. today is the day we don't follow the damned analytics script.

                  Same with hitters.. they don't believe in "hot" but it does exist.. sometimes guys just feel good about their at bats. You plan to give Judge off in a couple days, ok, that's the plan, and I have no problem having the plan. But if the guy goes 10 for 12 with 4 homers and 2 doubles before that game, I don't care if you wanna DH him or something, the guy clearly sees beach balls coming up there, he has to play unless there is a legit injury. He'll cool off in a few days, then sit him if you want..

                  And the bullpen is another aspect. They plan out their reliever usage, and again the plan is fine. So let's say your plan is Holmes in the 6th, Loaisiga 7th, Green 8th and Chapman 9th. That "plan" is fine with me, but it must be subject to change. If Holmes comes in and throws 9 pitches in the 6th and no one touches him, he pitches the 7th. Every time you replace a pitcher who is going well with another pitcher, you reduce the odds of winning. The more people you bring in, the higher the liklihood someone is going to "not have it today". If you can mitigate or remove that risk, then you have to do so.

                  But they don't do any of these things. Their plan is not a plan, its the ten commandments written in stone tablet with blood... That may not be why we did not win the division, although I bet I could argue it, but it is absolutely why that WC game was in Boston instead of NY.. one more win and we play in NY last Tuesday.. and these "plans" cost us at least one game, and likely many more..
                  I used to think I was crazy... Now I am sure of it..

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                    Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

                    Sure. But to be fair why are they playing the Giants in the first round. The team with the best record should be playing the 4th best record in the DS series. Same for the Giants. 107 wins and have to play the 106 win Dodgers. Meanwhile the Brewers play the Braves in the other round.
                    I agree. The whole MLB post season doesn't make much sense to me, either.
                    More people have walked on the moon than have scored an earned run off of Mariano Rivera in the postseason.

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                      Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post
                      Hal leaning towards keeping boone: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ne-sources-say

                      Please sell the team
                      Obviously. He doesn't care. He just found out what he's supposed to say from Cashman like a hour ago. Boone is doing a really good job. The problem is the players.

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                        Originally posted by JDPNYY View Post

                        We need to start calling Boonie - Lambchop.


                        Let's make this so.
                        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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                          Originally posted by HelloNewman View Post
                          Let's go Islanders.
                          Selling the team sure worked for the Islanders.

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                            Originally posted by aeromac76 View Post

                            It's not just the fact they use analytics, it's the fact they are so reliant on them they do not trust their eyes anymore..

                            For instance, I know the numbers say that a starter going through a lineup for the third time is likely to get in trouble at that point. But likely does not mean "always". If your starter is through 5, has given up 3 runs, and thrown nearly 100 pitches, then I agree that the third time through the lineup is probably going to be bad, and get the relievers in...
                            But if your starter is at 75 pitches, has mowed down the opposition and given up just 1 hit when the third time comes around, then that is one of those times.. 3rd time, 4th time, 5th time.. I don't care, the guy is unhittable today.. today is the day we don't follow the damned analytics script.

                            Same with hitters.. they don't believe in "hot" but it does exist.. sometimes guys just feel good about their at bats. You plan to give Judge off in a couple days, ok, that's the plan, and I have no problem having the plan. But if the guy goes 10 for 12 with 4 homers and 2 doubles before that game, I don't care if you wanna DH him or something, the guy clearly sees beach balls coming up there, he has to play unless there is a legit injury. He'll cool off in a few days, then sit him if you want..

                            And the bullpen is another aspect. They plan out their reliever usage, and again the plan is fine. So let's say your plan is Holmes in the 6th, Loaisiga 7th, Green 8th and Chapman 9th. That "plan" is fine with me, but it must be subject to change. If Holmes comes in and throws 9 pitches in the 6th and no one touches him, he pitches the 7th. Every time you replace a pitcher who is going well with another pitcher, you reduce the odds of winning. The more people you bring in, the higher the liklihood someone is going to "not have it today". If you can mitigate or remove that risk, then you have to do so.

                            But they don't do any of these things. Their plan is not a plan, its the ten commandments written in stone tablet with blood... That may not be why we did not win the division, although I bet I could argue it, but it is absolutely why that WC game was in Boston instead of NY.. one more win and we play in NY last Tuesday.. and these "plans" cost us at least one game, and likely many more..
                            Exactly. Here are some quotes in an article by a data scientist relevant to your comments: "But here’s the real kicker: even if you had good data your analysis always includes assumptions. If those assumptions are wrong your analysis can give a bad result. These bad results can lead the organization to do something even worse than if they didn’t use data....As data scientists we should hope that on average we are directionally right, but it’s impossible to know. Data cannot replace human intuition and it cannot remove risk." ("You're relying on data too much", Jacqueline Nolis, Towards Data Science, May 18, 2018.)

                            The article is directed at businesses, but it think the reasoning applies to all fields that use predictive data. I'm a big fan of modern analytics, but it must be properly integrated into the overall decision-making process. I fear the Yankee FO is bedazzled by the apparent, but not actual, precision of numbers.

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                              Originally posted by ClownPickle View Post

                              Obviously. He doesn't care. He just found out what he's supposed to say from Cashman like a hour ago. Boone is doing a really good job. The problem is the players.
                              Exactly. Who selected the players again? Help me out.

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                                Originally posted by ClownPickle View Post

                                Obviously. He doesn't care. He just found out what he's supposed to say from Cashman like a hour ago. Boone is doing a really good job. The problem is the players.
                                Completely unsurprising. As you said, Hal is just relaying what Cashman told him to say. The best part about Cashman blaming the frequently injured and under performing players that he drafted, signed, and traded for, is that he'll reassemble the same roster next year and expect different results. It must be great to have that type of job security with no accountability.
                                David Ortiz tested positive for performance enhancing drugs in 2003.

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