2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[ppa79]

Cashman really got played by the Twins. For the price of Donaldson and Rizzo we could have gotten Correa. Plus Chapman and Britton is another 30 mil of sunk cost. When is Hal gonna understand this?

[Art Vanderlay]

Correa would be another big contract with a player that will break down in a few years,already has back issues.
It seems the board is debating itself , arguing against all these long , expensive contracts, and then bemoaning not signing another one.( 3 years is long enough)
I just dont get it.

They believe in Volpe. Either these moves out or the team will finish 4th and Cashman will be gone as attendance wanes. Pretty simple.
However, IMO it is too early to throw in the towel.

Let’s stop with Volpe. He hasn’t played a game above A ball, the nucleus of the parent club are mostly over 30, by the time Volpe is ready to make an impact at the ML level it will be a totally different team. Cashman whiffed badly this off season, no spin doctoring will change that.

[Yankees1962]

Let’s stop with Volpe. He hasn’t played a game above A ball, the nucleus of the parent club are mostly over 30, by the time Volpe is ready to make an impact at the ML level it will be a totally different team. Cashman whiffed badly this off season, no spin doctoring will change that.

I think Volpe can impact this team as early as 2023.

[Art Vanderlay]

Cashman doesn't get embarrassed, otherwise, he would've changed his mode of operation a long time ago.

He doesn’t get embarrassed because he know regardless how he or the team performs he will get extended at the end of the year.

[justtxyank]

Passing on a short term Correa deal to sign a worse player who strikes out 200 times and has elbow issues would be peak Cashman lol.

[Bag302]

Don’t worry guys. Cashman will sign Correa when he’s 36..He’s playing the long game.

[hhill]

It's not about Correa specifically, but Correa is essentially on 3 1 year deals. Donaldson is on a two year deal for $50 million, worse health record. It's asinine to argue health or contract length as knocks on Correa and then defend Donaldson. Or Britton. Or Hicks.

In general , I would wait until the dust settles and look bigger picture at what they are trying to do.

Here are my points:
Would Correa accept a 3 yr deal with the Yanks? Maybe,maybe not.
They had to take Donaldson's salary in order to get the shortstop and catcher which improves them defensively. Who here besides me wanted to keep Sanchez?

They strongly believe in Volpe and wanted to keep his path open. If you accept that Correa was not a short term deal for THE YANKS, then the defensive,stop gap was worth it.


Is Lange part of a deal to get starting pitching, which I believe is a greater need? I think this is in play which is why it is better to let the dust settle.

One could conclude:
-defense is vastly improved
-long term deals are bygones for now; they already have 2 and 3 with Judge (another factor in not signing Correa)
-big confidence in Volpe
-balanced lineup by signing Rizzo for reasonable $ and shipping out Voit
-HIcks is another reason not avoid the long term contracts, going forward.

Maybe Cashman has learned from prior mistakes,after all. Isnt that a good thing?
Yanks have been in the playoffs as long as I can recall. The playoffs themselves are a crapshoot. Could have won it all if Houston had not cheated. With all the $ spent how many WS have the Dodgers won?

EDIT: Story still a option?

[hhill]

Passing on a short term Correa deal to sign a worse player who strikes out 200 times and has elbow issues would be peak Cashman lol.

How do you know Correa would have signed a short term deal with NY? You think they get treated equally?
Also, , they think Volpe could be ready in a year. That's on Cashman . At some point you have lean on your own player development and you cant buy every one

[hhill]

He doesn’t get embarrassed because he know regardless how he or the team performs he will get extended at the end of the year.

If fans turn on the team, stop showing up there will be big changes. Even for Hal, who is $$$ oriented, enough will be enough. Maybe Boone first.

I realize fans dont want to wait, but that is how it works.

[ymike673]

In general , I would wait until the dust settles and look bigger picture at what they are trying to do.

Here are my points:
Would Correa accept a 3 yr deal with the Yanks? Maybe,maybe not.
They had to take Donaldson's salary in order to get the shortstop and catcher which improves them defensively. Who here besides me wanted to keep Sanchez?

They strongly believe in Volpe and wanted to keep his path open. If you accept that Correa was not a short term deal for THE YANKS, then the defensive,stop gap was worth it.


Is Lange part of a deal to get starting pitching, which I believe is a greater need? I think this is in play which is why it is better to let the dust settle.

One could conclude:
-defense is vastly improved
-long term deals are bygones for now; they already have 2 and 3 with Judge (another factor in not signing Correa)
-big confidence in Volpe
-balanced lineup by signing Rizzo for reasonable $ and shipping out Voit
-HIcks is another reason not avoid the long term contracts, going forward.

Maybe Cashman has learned from prior mistakes,after all. Isnt that a good thing?
Yanks have been in the playoffs as long as I can recall. The playoffs themselves are a crapshoot. Could have won it all if Houston had not cheated. With all the $ spent how many WS have the Dodgers won?

EDIT: Story still a option?

Dodgers have been to the WS 3 of the last 4 years. And maybe they win 2017 if not for the Astros cheating. And despite winning their division almost every year they have far out paced the Yankees as far as the draft and developing players. To me it's not about not getting Correa. It's about holding on to players until their trade value is at their lowest and then trading them. Donaldson is a big injury risk and until I hear otherwise Rizzo is missing 92 games this season due to the Covid rules.

[ymike673]

If fans turn on the team, stop showing up there will be big changes. Even for Hal, who is $$$ oriented, enough will be enough. Maybe Boone first.

I realize fans dont want to wait, but that is how it works.

Unfortunately only way the Yankees lose enough fans to really affect Hal would be if the Mets become a power. Dodgers and the Braves will be a pretty big roadblocks to keep the Mets from getting to the WS.

[hhill]

Let’s stop with Volpe. He hasn’t played a game above A ball, the nucleus of the parent club are mostly over 30, by the time Volpe is ready to make an impact at the ML level it will be a totally different team. Cashman whiffed badly this off season, no spin doctoring will change that.

I have no allegiance to Cashman and am not spinning. There are multiple ways to view the moves and how it turns out is TBD.
I doubt Correa was signing a 1 yr deal or year to year deal with the Yanks. The Twins are not the Yanks.-He knows they have the big bucks.

The flip sign is sign Correa to a 10 yr deal, sign Judge to at least a 5 yr deal and then you have 4 long term contracts. Ridiculous.

Hal wouldnt do that and I give him full marks in that regard. Cashman may have manuvered the financial and personnel situation to the Yankee benefit.

I dont know when Volpe will be ready. There is talk he comes up in September. Plenty of players have jumped levels.

One thing I know for sure that fans need to accept is we are not going with 4 long term deals and personally, I prefer using one's one farm system
If that fails, then it is time for big changes at the Cashman level.

[hhill]

Unfortunately only way the Yankees lose enough fans to really affect Hal would be if the Mets become a power. Dodgers and the Braves will be a pretty big roadblocks to keep the Mets from getting to the WS.

Good point and the Mets are on the way with how they are building that staff. I hope for once they do well

[justtxyank]

In general , I would wait until the dust settles and look bigger picture at what they are trying to do.

Here are my points:
Would Correa accept a 3 yr deal with the Yanks? Maybe,maybe not.
They had to take Donaldson's salary in order to get the shortstop and catcher which improves them defensively. Who here besides me wanted to keep Sanchez?

They strongly believe in Volpe and wanted to keep his path open. If you accept that Correa was not a short term deal for THE YANKS, then the defensive,stop gap was worth it.


Is Lange part of a deal to get starting pitching, which I believe is a greater need? I think this is in play which is why it is better to let the dust settle.

One could conclude:
-defense is vastly improved
-long term deals are bygones for now; they already have 2 and 3 with Judge (another factor in not signing Correa)
-big confidence in Volpe
-balanced lineup by signing Rizzo for reasonable $ and shipping out Voit
-HIcks is another reason not avoid the long term contracts, going forward.

Maybe Cashman has learned from prior mistakes,after all. Isnt that a good thing?
Yanks have been in the playoffs as long as I can recall. The playoffs themselves are a crapshoot. Could have won it all if Houston had not cheated. With all the $ spent how many WS have the Dodgers won?

EDIT: Story still a option?

they traded for a 3B making $20+m a year who will only play half the games in the field by design. Yeah, Cashman has learned a lot of lessons

[justtxyank]

I have no allegiance to Cashman and am not spinning. There are multiple ways to view the moves and how it turns out is TBD.
I doubt Correa was signing a 1 yr deal or year to year deal with the Yanks. The Twins are not the Yanks.-He knows they have the big bucks.

The flip sign is sign Correa to a 10 yr deal, sign Judge to at least a 5 yr deal and then you have 4 long term contracts. Ridiculous.

Hal wouldnt do that and I give him full marks in that regard. Cashman may have manuvered the financial and personnel situation to the Yankee benefit.

I dont know when Volpe will be ready. There is talk he comes up in September. Plenty of players have jumped levels.

One thing I know for sure that fans need to accept is we are not going with 4 long term deals and personally, I prefer using one's one farm system
If that fails, then it is time for big changes at the Cashman level.

I have no problem if they want to switch to being a farm system driven team but Cashman has had 20 years of track record that says he’s not the gm for that type of roster either.