2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[Portbb]

The Yankees need a real shortstop. Trade either DJ, Torres, or Urshela.

Anthony Volpe. He’s the same age as Wander Franco. He could learn in the big leagues. Like Franco is.

[hhill]

I respect all you guys and share the frustration but as it seems Boone and Cashman are coming back I dont expect other than surface changes. What I see is:
-maybe some coaches let go
-Gleyber stays,at 2nd ,too young to give up on him
-SImmons at shortstop as a stopgap
-if Rizzo will sign for 2 yrs with an option for a 3rd he will play firt
-Voit DH
-Gardner let go
-Gallo,Judge ,Stanton in outfield
-they try to get Clint/Miggy for the 3rd outfield with maybe the other as the 4th outfielder
-Catching stays the same

Cash is not going to change his philosophy ...it would too difficult to go 180 degrees the other way. He will ride it out.

Sucks

[newhampfan]

I respect all you guys and share the frustration but as it seems Boone and Cashman are coming back I dont expect other than surface changes. What I see is:
-maybe some coaches let go
-Gleyber stays,at 2nd ,too young to give up on him
-SImmons at shortstop as a stopgap
-if Rizzo will sign for 2 yrs with an option for a 3rd he will play firt
-Voit DH
-Gardner let go
-Gallo,Judge ,Stanton in outfield
-they try to get Clint/Miggy for the 3rd outfield with maybe the other as the 4th outfielder
-Catching stays the same

Cash is not going to change his philosophy ...it would too difficult to go 180 degrees the other way. He will ride it out.

Sucks

The Daily News used to have a postseason Yankee section where fans could vote (online) for or against everyone from Hal on down to the coaches. We need that kind of poll again, and in a medium that has a big and therefore representative audience. I'd like to see how many fans want Hal, Cashman and Boone back. Maybe, though I doubt it, Hal might see it as a wake-up call if, as I suspect, there's close to a landslide of negation for the managerial section of the team.

In any case, if Hal aka Cashman can't acquire players to make significant improvement at certain positions (catcher, SS and 2B, CF and another outfielder not named Gardner), then fans should seriously start boycotting games at the Stadium, By "seriously," I mean widely publicized as poor management and personnel being the reasons for the conspicuous fan vacancies.

p.s. I live far out NY town, so don't know if The Daily News or NY Post offer such a poll. I don't subscribe online to either newspaper.

[ymike673]

I respect all you guys and share the frustration but as it seems Boone and Cashman are coming back I dont expect other than surface changes. What I see is:
-maybe some coaches let go
-Gleyber stays,at 2nd ,too young to give up on him
-SImmons at shortstop as a stopgap
-if Rizzo will sign for 2 yrs with an option for a 3rd he will play firt
-Voit DH
-Gardner let go
-Gallo,Judge ,Stanton in outfield
-they try to get Clint/Miggy for the 3rd outfield with maybe the other as the 4th outfielder
-Catching stays the same

Cash is not going to change his philosophy ...it would too difficult to go 180 degrees the other way. He will ride it out.

Sucks

And maybe another tremendous run to be the second WC again. Wow! I am so excited!

[False1]

"Shot in the dark" and "crapshoot" aren't synonymous with one another.

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/crapshoot

SYNONYMS FOR crapshoot

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• risk
• iffy proposition
• risky business
• shot in the dark
• spin of the roulette wheel

A crapshoot is something that is uncertain or unpredictable like a baseball series with even odds. Also, this is what Billy Beane had to say about it...... ""My 'expletive' doesn't work on in the play-offs. My job is getting us to the play-offs. What happens after that is 'expletive' luck." So it's not just Hal and Cashman that feel this way.

https://theweek.com/articles/458933/...-work-playoffs

The much better description is that the playoffs are a gauntlet. It is VERY challenging to make it through the WC>ALDS>ALCS>WS. A lot can go wrong to be sure. Teams that aren't favored to win can indeed win, and teams that are expected to lose sometimes don't lose. Which is specifically why it is advantageous to invest in and bolster the roster in incremental ways in the offseasons and prior to the trade deadline to improve your odds.

A crapshoot (in the very intentional context that the Yankee FO wants you to take it in) implies that all of those outcomes are random and you cannot take incremental proactive actions to improve your odds. "We could have signed Bryce Harper to play LF a few years ago, but it's all a crapshoot so here's a free Joey Gallo instead."

Things that are not synonymous include Hal/Cashman and Fisher/Beane (or Forst).

[False1]

If every series is 50/50 that’s pretty much the definition of random crap shoot tournament. Obviously the better the team the better odds of advancing. But in baseball the better team doesn’t always win a 5 or 7 game series.

Rays probably were close to 60/40 favorite to beat Red Sox and yet Red Sox advanced in 4 games.

Rays were 8 games better than Boston, had a run differential 136 runs better than Boston, Had beaten Boston 11 of the pst 15 meetings.

The odds of crapping out on a come out roll is 12%. If you were to extrapolate that out across WC>ALDS>ALCS>WS you'd think any team has a 1 in 50 chance of winning it all.

More importantly, the term in general (and specifically in the context with which the Yankee FO wants to infer) is used to talk about situations / odds that cannot be influenced. There is literally nothing you can do prior to the role of the dice in craps that will change the mathematical probabilities of a favorable outcome. That is NOT true in baseball, but that is specifically what the FO is trying to feed the fan base. "We don't to invest in and acquire better players, since the playoffs are a crapshoot anyway." Wrong. There are no guarantees the better team wins, but that doesn't mean you cannot and should not attempt to influence the odds.

[False1]

Torres' value is down so you would hope that he rebounds with a full year at 2B. DJ should rebound after dealing with COVID/Sports hernia issues.

Yes I agree they need a SS, but to use those resources to put into a Freeman at 1B who provides power, elite defense and on a winning team would be tremendous.

They could try for Simmons on a 2 year deal to save some cash for other needs.

The team used the "hope strategy" for Sanchez, and all it did was reduce the trade value of the asset and sub-optimize the on-field results while waiting for the player to attain his prior ceiling. It's one thing if you have a guy with an elite skill - offense or defense - while waiting for the other side of his game to get back on track. As with Sanchez, Gleyber's defense has always been poor and now his bat is poor as well.

With an elite defensive 2B under contract for many more years, and a bevy of elite SS on the market this offseason, now is the time to see if you can get a GM to dream on Gleyber's upside and give you something in return that can help you in a different area of need on the 2022 roster.

[Yankee Tripper]

The odds of crapping out on a come out roll is 12%. If you were to extrapolate that out across WC>ALDS>ALCS>WS you'd think any team has a 1 in 50 chance of winning it all.

More importantly, the term in general (and specifically in the context with which the Yankee FO wants to infer) is used to talk about situations / odds that cannot be influenced. There is literally nothing you can do prior to the role of the dice in craps that will change the mathematical probabilities of a favorable outcome. That is NOT true in baseball, but that is specifically what the FO is trying to feed the fan base. "We don't to invest in and acquire better players, since the playoffs are a crapshoot anyway." Wrong. There are no guarantees the better team wins, but that doesn't mean you cannot and should not attempt to influence the odds.

You’re better than that and I know you understand probably better than this.

But on your last sentence we are in complete agreement.

[matt2351]

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/crapshoot



The much better description is that the playoffs are a gauntlet. It is VERY challenging to make it through the WC>ALDS>ALCS>WS. A lot can go wrong to be sure. Teams that aren't favored to win can indeed win, and teams that are expected to lose sometimes don't lose. Which is specifically why it is advantageous to invest in and bolster the roster in incremental ways in the offseasons and prior to the trade deadline to improve your odds.

A crapshoot (in the very intentional context that the Yankee FO wants you to take it in) implies that all of those outcomes are random and you cannot take incremental proactive actions to improve your odds. "We could have signed Bryce Harper to play LF a few years ago, but it's all a crapshoot so here's a free Joey Gallo instead."

Things that are not synonymous include Hal/Cashman and Fisher/Beane (or Forst).

This captures my thoughts on this subject pretty well. Less likely outcomes can be the product of this system, but the better your team is, the more unlikely it is that these less likely outcomes occur.

How anyone can look at the remaining field in the playoffs and conclude that it is all just a random set of events is beyond my comprehension. In the 11 WS from 2010-2020, the Giants, Dodgers, Red Sox, and Astros have appeared in a total of 10 and have won 7 of the 11 in the sample, including 3 by the Giants and 2 by the Red Sox. I don't give the Braves much of a shot to win this year and I think one of these teams is going to add to the tally - this would make 8 of the last 12 WS won by just 4 teams. The logical conclusion here is that better run teams can navigate the gauntlet more effectively. The most interesting part of this is that 3 of these 4 teams have switched GMs during this period and are still able to continue. This, to me, shows the importance of ownership in this equation.

[Bauer]

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/crapshoot



The much better description is that the playoffs are a gauntlet. It is VERY challenging to make it through the WC>ALDS>ALCS>WS. A lot can go wrong to be sure. Teams that aren't favored to win can indeed win, and teams that are expected to lose sometimes don't lose. Which is specifically why it is advantageous to invest in and bolster the roster in incremental ways in the offseasons and prior to the trade deadline to improve your odds.

A crapshoot (in the very intentional context that the Yankee FO wants you to take it in) implies that all of those outcomes are random and you cannot take incremental proactive actions to improve your odds. "We could have signed Bryce Harper to play LF a few years ago, but it's all a crapshoot so here's a free Joey Gallo instead."

Things that are not synonymous include Hal/Cashman and Fisher/Beane (or Forst).

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"Gauntlet" seems the right word, and it indicates why dynastic teams like those McCarthy and Stengel are probably no longer possible. Someone might cite, as a counter-argument, the Torre teams of the late 1990s. They were good teams, but they didn't dominate the sport in the manner of the Yankees of 1936-1943 or of 1949-1964.

[sjb23]

My ideas for re-shaping the 2022 roster

* Sign FAs SS Corey Seager & 1B Mitch Moreland

* Trade OF Joey Gallo, P Domingo German and pitching prospect TBD for P German Marquez and C Dom Nunez

Others to be packaged/traded/released:

C Gary Sanchez
2B Gleyber Torres
2B Roughned Odor
OF Miguel Andujar
OF Clint Frazier
OF Brett Gardner
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2022 Roster

1B - Voit Mitch Moreland
2B - DJ, Wade
SS - Corey Seager,Velazquez,Wade
3B - Urshela,Wade
C - Dom Nunez,Higashioka

CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
LF - Stanton
OF - Florial (4TH)
OF - Allen (5TH)

SP - Cole, Marquez, Severino, Taillon, Montgomery

Relievers(in pecking order) - Chapman, Loaisiga, Green, Holmes, Cortes, King, Luetge, Peralta, Rodriguez

I realize this is 28. The last two spots can/will be manipulated regularly

[effdamets]

They need to get rid of Urshela and Hicks too.

[JDPNYY]

They aren't going to do much of anything. They are quite happy with the guys who are already in that room.

I think they pick up either a scrap heap SS or a scrap heap First Baseman and call the Offense done.
Pitching - Maybe an overpay on an RP or 2.

I don't look for much more than that.

[effdamets]

They aren't going to do much of anything. They are quite happy with the guys who are already in that room.

I think they pick up either a scrap heap SS or a scrap heap First Baseman and call the Offense done.
Pitching - Maybe an overpay on an RP or 2.

I don't look for much more than that.

Wow... such a proud franchise once upon a time.
And now we have this.
So ugly.

[RoyWilliams]

My ideas for re-shaping the 2022 roster

* Sign FAs SS Corey Seager & 1B Mitch Moreland

* Trade OF Joey Gallo, P Domingo German and pitching prospect TBD for P German Marquez and C Dom Nunez

Others to be packaged/traded/released:

C Gary Sanchez
2B Gleyber Torres
2B Roughned Odor
OF Miguel Andujar
OF Clint Frazier
OF Brett Gardner
*************************************
2022 Roster

1B - Voit Mitch Moreland
2B - DJ, Wade
SS - Corey Seager,Velazquez,Wade
3B - Urshela,Wade
C - Dom Nunez,Higashioka

CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
LF - Stanton
OF - Florial (4TH)
OF - Allen (5TH)

SP - Cole, Marquez, Severino, Taillon, Montgomery

Relievers(in pecking order) - Chapman, Loaisiga, Green, Holmes, Cortes, King, Luetge, Peralta, Rodriguez

I realize this is 28. The last two spots can/will be manipulated regularly

Why would you keep the hurt even more then Stanton Voit even if he is cheap and let him butcher at 1B. I know you want him to DH but really the guy had a good year and then came down to earth along with being hurt.

Voit is what's been bad with this team. Need people who can run and not hit into a DP and not get hurt running to 1B on a WP.