2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[ymike673]

All Hal cares about is being competitive. Not sure he even cares about home playoff games. From 2013-2016 Yankees played exactly 1 home playoff game. In 4 seasons! Did that move Hal to make any changes? No, nothing. So to think anything is ever going to change now is just wishful thinking. Unfortunately.

[sjb23]

Why would you keep the hurt even more then Stanton Voit even if he is cheap and let him butcher at 1B. I know you want him to DH but really the guy had a good year and then came down to earth along with being hurt.

Voit is what's been bad with this team. Need people who can run and not hit into a DP and not get hurt running to 1B on a WP.

I can live without Voit, but then they'll have to spend money @ 1B and I'd rather they spend it on Seager and Marquez. Moreland can capably fill in for Voit when he goes on the IL.

[ThePinStripes]

My ideas for re-shaping the 2022 roster

* Sign FAs SS Corey Seager & 1B Mitch Moreland

* Trade OF Joey Gallo, P Domingo German and pitching prospect TBD for P German Marquez and C Dom Nunez

Others to be packaged/traded/released:

C Gary Sanchez
2B Gleyber Torres
2B Roughned Odor
OF Miguel Andujar
OF Clint Frazier
OF Brett Gardner
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2022 Roster

1B - Voit Mitch Moreland
2B - DJ, Wade
SS - Corey Seager, Velazquez,Wade
3B - Urshela, Wade
C - Dom Nunez, Higashioka

CF - Hicks
RF - Judge
LF - Stanton
OF - Florial (4TH)
OF - Allen (5TH)

SP - Cole, Marquez, Severino, Taillon, Montgomery

Relievers(in pecking order) - Chapman, Loaisiga, Green, Holmes, Cortes, King, Luetge, Peralta, Rodriguez

I realize this is 28. The last two spots can/will be manipulated regularly

You forgot Gallo. He's definitely not a hero, but he's well worth the money he's making this year.

I dont like Mooreland. He's 37 and just the kind of hitter that comes here to have his performance drop off a cliff.

All of this would require a trade for GM and Owner anyway.

[False1]

You’re better than that and I know you understand probably better than this.

But on your last sentence we are in complete agreement.

I honestly have no idea how to interpret this. Are you saying that post was insincere? I assure you it was not.

[RoyWilliams]

I can live without Voit, but then they'll have to spend money @ 1B and I'd rather they spend it on Seager and Marquez. Moreland can capably fill in for Voit when he goes on the IL.

With 2 SS in the minor leagues both of which are highly rated i can't see them signing a SS for the long term. Maybe a cheap stop gap but no money there. Seager is a dream and lots of money and for a number of years.

They have to figure out what they're doing with DJ. The reality is Torres is not going anywhere in my opinion. He is at a low point in value and you do not trade a guy when his value is this low. And i do not see them trading Gio either. So if you have Torres at 2B and Gio at 3B or SS you have to find a place for DJ. He could save them money and play 1B or SS or even 3RD and move Gio to SS but i see the ING being those 3 guys with someone added to play either 1B or SS and not a lot of money.

They need to invest in SP and add someone who can run and maybe hit leadoff. They need more speed.

[Obnoxio]

SJB23, sometimes I wonder if you are Moreland’s agent.

[False1]

voit is what's been bad with this team. Need people who can run and not hit into a dp and not get hurt running to 1b on a wp.

lol

[ThePinStripes]

Why would you keep the hurt even more then Stanton Voit even if he is cheap and let him butcher at 1B. I know you want him to DH but really the guy had a good year and then came down to earth along with being hurt.

Voit is what's been bad with this team. Need people who can run and not hit into a DP and not get hurt running to 1B on a WP.

At least provide some level of objectivity.
It wasn't a fluke year. Voit has a 137OPS+ as a Yankee over nearly 1200 PA going back to 2018. For reference, the year where everyone is claiming Stanton and Judge carried the team, Stanton had a 136 OPS+ this year and Judge was 149. DJL had a 136 in his 2019 season when he batter .327.

He's exactly what the team needs. Great hitters that hit for decent average (.271), get on base (.261), dont strike out a ton (27% of PA), and can hit lefties and righties (his splits are almost identical for LHP vs RHP).
BTW: His BA and OPS are higher with runners on base than without runners on base. His BA and OPS for RISP are even higher than that.
The only chink in his armor is health and defense. He's objectively one of the best hitters in baseball. I'd venture to guess there are probably 30 players that are better hitters over the same time span.

There were 7 players who had an OPS+ above 137 this season- what Voit has done over 3-4 seasons. Vlad, Ohanti, Olson, Judge, Tucker, Lowe and Ramirez. That's where he ranks as a hitter since he's been a Yankee.

We get it. You just dont like Voit. It's You dont like him and you want to pin the problems of this seriously flawed team on him, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news: He's one of the best players on the team and one of the cheapest.

[False1]

With 2 SS in the minor leagues both of which are highly rated i can't see them signing a SS for the long term. Maybe a cheap stop gap but no money there. Seager is a dream and lots of money and for a number of years.

They have to figure out what they're doing with DJ. The reality is Torres is not going anywhere in my opinion. He is at a low point in value and you do not trade a guy when his value is this low. And i do not see them trading Gio either. So if you have Torres at 2B and Gio at 3B or SS you have to find a place for DJ. He could save them money and play 1B or SS or even 3RD and move Gio to SS but i see the ING being those 3 guys with someone added to play either 1B or SS and not a lot of money.

They need to invest in SP and add someone who can run and maybe hit leadoff. They need more speed.

With Hughes and Joba and Kennedy all highly rated in the minor leagues, why invest in pitching?

When you have a team that has a slightly cracked window, and elite up-the-middle talent is available on the FA market, they shouldn't ignore it because of surprise performances from 5' 11" 20 year olds in Hudson Valley, even ones that generate as much legitimate excitement as Volpe did. You acquire the asset, and if Volpe continues to rake in AA and shows up ready ahead of schedule in 2023 or 2024 you pivot then. Move Seager to 3B or 2B, or move Volpe. Peraza rocketed up the system last year too and there's plenty of reason to be excited for him as well, but his ETA is also 2023 barring any setback.

If the Yankees are comfortable waiting for prospects to develop instead of getting aggressive in FA, I could understand that *if* they committed to a tear-down and rebuild. They really need to go big or start over. The dumbest thing to do - as many here have indicated for several years now - is one foot on the dock and one foot off.

[Slickman]

They aren't going to do much of anything. They are quite happy with the guys who are already in that room.

I think they pick up either a scrap heap SS or a scrap heap First Baseman and call the Offense done.
Pitching - Maybe an overpay on an RP or 2.

I don't look for much more than that.

Exactly. We've seen the past decade and need to accept that the marching orders are simply to make the "playoffs", even the lone WC game is perfectly acceptable. This season was a legit success to ownership.

[yank4life2005]

If the only move the Yankees make than let it be to unload Stanton. He was relatively healthy this year and can play the OF. NL will have the DH so this will be the best time to unload him.

[sjb23]

SJB23, sometimes I wonder if you are Moreland’s agent.

lol i've been wanting to land him for the past 3 yrs or so. I think he can be productive as a PT first baseman: he hits lefty, plays decent defense, and he's pretty inexpensive on a lucrative one-year deal. The Yanks can save $6M by dealing Sanchez - that'll more than cover Moreland's salary.

[hhill]

Espada is the name being mentioned if Boone gets dumped

[ThePinStripes]

lol i've been wanting to land him for the past 3 yrs or so. I think he can be productive as a PT first baseman: he hits lefty, plays decent defense, and he's pretty inexpensive on a lucrative one-year deal. The Yanks can save $6M by dealing Sanchez - that'll more than cover Moreland's salary.

Until you realize you need to sign a starting catcher.

[sjb23]

Until you realize you need to sign a starting catcher.

I proposed a trade for one in my post (#686) ^^^^^ using Joey Gallo & Domingo German to obtain P German Marquez and C Dom Nunez from the Rockies