2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[hhill]

Hearing through the grapevine that tomorrow they will announce Boone is coming back on a 1-year deal with a team option for 2023.

Stay tuned.

sour grapes...but isnt that the same year that Cashman has his contract up? Maybe they go together into that good night

[effdamets]

sour grapes...but isnt that the same year that Cashman has his contract up? Maybe they go together into that good night

Meh - Cashman isn't going anywhere. None of the doodie-heads in the front office know anything about hiring a baseball person in the organization.

[Pakimobzta]

Sox are going to win another championship. Braves going to lay down for them in the WS. Meanwhile we are thinking about bringing back the same foaled formula... sigh

[Mixwell]

Hearing through the grapevine that tomorrow they will announce Boone is coming back on a 1-year deal with a team option for 2023.

Stay tuned.

A one year deal? So, in other words, they are not confident in him enough to commit much at all. If that's the case, you MOVE ON.

This organization is a complete disaster..

I never thought I'd say this, but bring on a salary cap. Heck, set it at $100 million for all I care. Just so we can see what Cashman can do on a Tampa-like budget. He's nothing without Steinbrenner cash.

[matt2351]

Some folks took me to task when I said we would rue the day the Sox hired Bloom. I do have to say that not even in my wildest nightmares did I think we would rue it this quickly.

[primetime714]

I don't think they will prioritize OF unless they move some people off the roster.
Convincing Gardner to walk is easy - he exercises the option - Yankees DFA him. He doesn't exercise the option you just let him walk. But that requires the FO to NOT want him on the roster.
As for Florial/Allen at least one needs to off the 40 man - otherwise they will likely repeat the Estrada/Wade issue from last year where they protected both then sold one for cash later.

To me needs rank
1 - SS
2 - SP
3 - 1B
4 - C

I mean I'm not opposed to them upgrading other spots, in fact if they can through trades I'm all for it.

Agree with the needs rank order. I think a lot of people are not prioritizing SP thinking 2021 success stories (Monty and Cortes) will naturally repeat and 2022 upside stories (Sevy, Gil, and others) will provide the difference this team and that they won't be saddled with the same injuries we see every year.

I'd put OF at 5th and look to grab at least a nice depth OF on the cheap. Even if its just a valuable bench piece. A guy like Bradley Zimmer from Cleveland might be a decent target as a plus plus defender in CF and a guy that could platoon from the left side and pinch run a little. Kind of Kiermaier type, but not quite as good. Also could look a for a righty version especially if they're going to grab a lefty 1B requiring a pinch hitter.

Anyway I think the team has to be more committed to build a really strong 26 man roster with no more wasted spots on guys like Wade, Gardner and Odor that might give you a streak here and there but are generally low talent players at this point in their careers.

[bucky]

I disagree. I think the lineup is in dire straits, while the rotation last year was a strength. It was a top 5 rotation in the AL, even with Kluber, German and Cortes only amassing ~45 starts among them. Taillon came around in a big way in the second half. Monty had a nice first season back from injury. It was only a few innings and until he proves otherwise he'll always be an injury risk, but Severino looked good. Schmidt, Gil, King all still in the mix for spots in 2021, with a few other arms as darkhorses (e.g. Garcia if he recovers, Medina on the way, perhaps even Waldichuk sighting this year).

The FA SP options are a mixed bag, with most either being HOF-ish types that you can probably rule out (Scherzer, Kershaw), HOF-ish guys or next tier down likely on the downswing and/or with significant injury risk (Grienke, Verlander, Cueto), or guys that had potentially career years with decent odds of not living up to a massive long term deal (Ray, Rondon). The rest are guys likely to be middle to back of rotation talents IMHO (Stroman, Gausman, Rodriguez) that will want more money and years than they're worth. Oh, and Bauer, if he's crazy enough to opt-out of his deal and ever pitches again LOL.

My guess is that the 2021 spot reserved for Kluber will be used in a similar way this year... by taking on a reclamation project (either injury or performance) for Blake and Cressey to work with to try and extract value and reinvest elsewhere. They may re-sign Kluber. Or take a shot on a Syndergaard to see if he can give you 150 IP or so, or see if Blake can get Bundy back on the rails. Or Paxton LOL. Or, if Verlander were willing to do something similar to Kluber on a 1 year deal for less than his "name brand" would generally command, maybe they roll the dice with him. But the bottom line is unless they go bonkers for a 37 year old Scherzer who has indicated he doesn't want to pitch in NY there are far more meaningful FA options for position players.

They could also explore a trade. There was an article linked here recently re: Pablo Lopez. The Marlins actually have several guys that are interesting trade targets but I think that article's trade proposal (Frazier and Andujar IIRC) was extraordinarily light on what it would take to get a young, cost-controlled, proven SP.

There is reason to be optimistic that the Yankees finally have a pitching coach that can help pitchers perform closer to their upper talent levels than past regimes. There is dire need for a complete rebuild of the lineup. I'd kick the tires on rotation upgrades, but I would definitely make the lineup the priority.

With all due respect. This is short because Bos game. I like Matt Blake and I am still a fan of Cole. After the WC game we need an ACE. You are using WAR and I don't - I use ERA (4) for SP and we are 10th. Our RP is 3rd so that is nice even with Green leaving. After Cole I like Nasty Nestor (but no FB) so that is why I want another SP. I put Taillon at 4th. Monty may be gone and Kluber will never be what he was (FB) and can not hold the runner. We need a SP. Ask HOU about SP and if they are going to pay Correa. I wouldn't either.

LAD has he best SP in both ERA and WAR so that is interesting with ATL

no

(BOS is giving Cora a Birthday Party 9-0)

thanks

[jpao89]

I never thought I'd say this, but bring on a salary cap. Heck, set it at $100 million for all I care. Just so we can see what Cashman can do on a Tampa-like budget. He's nothing without Steinbrenner cash.

He is nothing with it.

[ncyankeeefan]

Yeah, if the Sox win another championship this year, I'm done with baseball. The Dodgers need to come back and beat the Braves, Sox will roll Atlanta. Unreal.

I hate the Astros as well, just concerned about how good Boston looks right now.

[Chaz]

Sox heading to another WS & tomorrow we get……..another year of Cashman and Boone.

what a depressing thought.

Hal, please sell….

[primetime714]

I think Gleyber is the one guy you keep unless you go into a full rebuild and then you trade Judge as well.
Gleyber is young, was miscast at short, which affected his defense.
I expect a very good year from him as a staple at 2nd.

Just bec Gleyber takes 2nd doesnt per force mean DJ to 1b which I would not want.

As for Odor, he's not a great fielder-I am not sure what plus means.but his offensive woes leave him as a backup, not a versatile one at that. I wouldnt pinch hit him, nor play him at 3rd .
But he's not the cause of their fundamental issues, so not worth further discussion.

Curious what type of hitter do you think Gleyber really is? His power in 2018 and 2019 largely exceeded expectations and we know now that the juiced ball played a role in that. Take that away and he might be an average or slightly above hitter. Even add it back in and his 2019 output doesn't even put him in any top tier players conversation, a very good player, but even at his ceiling he's not a generational talent from what we've seen.

Yes there was clearly a pressure on him defensively that was impacting him mentally, but does he immediately return to something more like his rookie self with that gone? Maybe. I think we get something in the middle. But you seem more optimistic on his bounce back than anyone so really curious to hear your take on his offense.

His defense to me is pretty cut and dry, he's got the range and skills to be an average infielder, but lacks the discipline or fundamentals to consistently make all the plays and more importantly to make the right decisions. I don't know if that's going to come more naturally, I keep hoping to see improvement and continue to see the same thing (no improvement). Maybe the position is the problem, I tend to think it was only a contributing factor to a bigger issue, but its worth a try.

[hhill]

Curious what type of hitter do you think Gleyber really is? His power in 2018 and 2019 largely exceeded expectations and we know now that the juiced ball played a role in that. Take that away and he might be an average or slightly above hitter. Even add it back in and his 2019 output doesn't even put him in any top tier players conversation, a very good player, but even at his ceiling he's not a generational talent from what we've seen. He's demonstrated in the past that he can hit the other way; he has some power ; as long as plays within himself he can be very productive offensively. I dont care if he is generational. As I said, if you want to get rid of good ,young players what's the goal here? What are you going to get? Makes no sense to me. You are not getting a generational player by trading him.

Yes there was clearly a pressure on him defensively that was impacting him mentally, but does he immediately return to something more like his rookie self with that gone? Maybe. I think we get something in the middle. But you seem more optimistic on his bounce back than anyone so really curious to hear your take on his offense.I mentioned his offense in the above paragraph. He started to hit well, and IIRC he got banged up again.

His defense to me is pretty cut and dry, he's got the range and skills to be an average infielder, but lacks the discipline or fundamentals to consistently make all the plays and more importantly to make the right decisions. I don't know if that's going to come more naturally, I keep hoping to see improvement and continue to see the same thing (no improvement). Maybe the position is the problem, I tend to think it was only a contributing factor to a bigger issue, but its worth a try.Fair

In the big picture , I believe he can be an above average hitter with some power,and decent 2nd baseman . I would build around him as he is young, and Judge and I guess Stanton. Beyond that, everyone is tradeable.

[Mixwell]

He is nothing with it.

He's a perennial wild card winner. That's something if you're most other teams. If you're the New York Yankees, it's unacceptable.

[NelsonMuntz]

Hearing through the grapevine that tomorrow they will announce Boone is coming back on a 1-year deal with a team option for 2023.

Stay tuned.

I read the same thing on Reddit.

[RoyWilliams]

Hearing through the grapevine that tomorrow they will announce Boone is coming back on a 1-year deal with a team option for 2023.

Stay tuned.

Yea i read it on twitter earlier as well just did not want to get bashed for posting it.