2021-2022 Off Season Thread

[False1]

I would rather resign Rizzo than give up assets for Olson.

It depends a lot on the assets. The Yankees need to move some guys and can't promote/protect them all.

Olson just had a season that Rizzo would have been proud of 7 years ago in his prime. Olson is 5 years younger than Rizzo, who appears to have gone from great to good at this stage of his career. If there's some better value they can get by trading the right chips, I'm not opposed to Rizzo. But for example if signing Rizzo meant not signing an elite SS, they should spend the money without hesitation on the elite SS and invest the talent capital in Olson.

[JLJ81]

But they'd also be getting Gleyber in that deal, and he simply does not make off-target throws.

In all seriousness, an Olson trade would hurt. I think these rumored/suggested trades for him on these sites are wildly understated in terms of what it would take to get an Olson.

Olson doesn't make all that much sense to me especially with people fantasizing about a Correa or Seager addition as well. So the Yankees are going to pay Seager/Correa 250 million plus, extend Judge for 30 plus million a year, carry Cole at 36 million a year, carry Stanton at 26 million AAV, and then invest the prospects it takes to land Olson who is on his last year of arbitration next season? So are you going to trade some decent prospects for him and then let him walk or are the Yankees going to pay him 25-30 million a year as well and have a 300 million dollar payroll every year the next 6-8 years? Seems... unrealistic to say the least.

[ThePinStripes]

Ursh remains at 3B where he belongs, and DJL remains at 2B where he absolutely belongs. You use Gleyber as part of the Olson trade.

Only the Yankees could have a GG 2B and not play him there because they have really bad defensive 2B.

[False1]

Srsly? Kind of a difference in trade value there ...

That, and I doubt many teams are going to be all over DJL coming off this season when they weren't all over him in FA the prior offseason. For better or worse, he needs to be the Yankees 2B right now. The play is to get someone to bit on a Gleyber+ package for a significant upgrade elsewhere.

[ThePinStripes]

It depends a lot on the assets. The Yankees need to move some guys and can't promote/protect them all.

Olson just had a season that Rizzo would have been proud of 7 years ago in his prime. Olson is 5 years younger than Rizzo, who appears to have gone from great to good at this stage of his career. If there's some better value they can get by trading the right chips, I'm not opposed to Rizzo. But for example if signing Rizzo meant not signing an elite SS, they should spend the money without hesitation on the elite SS and invest the talent capital in Olson.

In a vacuum, I'd love to have Olsen. But the reality is they need to spend their resources on a CF and a catcher.

If they would let Gallo and Judge be CF/backup CF (no particular order) and Stanton be an outfielder, then they could use resources for SS and this team looks a lot better. Unfortunately, the Cashman's ego is a priority and they can't keep Voit or backpedal and play Stanton in the OF.

[False1]

I would trade Torres and play DJ at 2B, Gio at 3B.

If/when Volpe or Peraza pan out, shift Seager to 3B

Stop hacking my brain and publishing my private thoughts!

[Zimmer's Helmet]

😂 too funny

[matt2351]

I didn't think my post was super dismissive as I've stated repeatedly that Cashman should be dismissed for doing a bad job as GM. However, he's not the root cause of every Yankee issue which is my point.

As I said, I don't think there was any intention and you are entitled to express your opinions for and against the GM. It is more about phrasing, that's all. This isn't a warning or anything, just a request to be more mindful.

[ThePinStripes]

Just read the 1st base coach got fired too.

Lol, man, Hal really knows how to shake things up and send a message. He's must have some real fire in his belly to (checks notes) fire the 1st and 3b coaches.

[matt2351]

I typed up almost word for word this exact post, but got a site timeout error when I tried to post it. This is spot on. I agree, and would add that if Hal/Cashman aren't willing to overhaul the roster while making those types of concurrent moves (and others, to boot) then it's time to start over.

This has happened to me a bunch in the last few days. Bub sent an email to SNY. Hopefully, it gets addressed in a timely manner.

[NelsonMuntz]

You don't necessarily have to trade or release him, but you should have a better backup plan than Gardner. Hicks has proven he can't stay healthy.

Right. Or you sign Marte and make Hicks the 4th OF'er. Maybe you can keep him healthy if he platoons with Gallo and just spells Judge every now and then. It's a sunk cost at this point.

[Yankees1962]

Right. Or you sign Marte and make Hicks the 4th OF'er. Maybe you can keep him healthy if he platoons with Gallo and just spells Judge every now and then. It's a sunk cost at this point.

I think we’re on the same page as I don’t think Hicks is a starting outfielder either.

[effdamets]

I'd rather the Yankees sign Starling Marte, Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman, Raisel iglesias, Freddie Freeman, and Carlos Correa but that isn't happening. Neither is the Yankees being able to move Aaron Hicks unless they eat 20 million.

The one power the Yankees have is money. They should eat the whole contract at this point! It was a earth-shattering mistake to sign him anyway.

[ThePinStripes]

The one power the Yankees have is money. They should eat the whole contract at this point! It was a earth-shattering mistake to sign him anyway.

the spreadsheet says he's worth $20M more than his contract!


I seriously think the Yankees simply do not factor injury risk into their player valuations and their analytics.

[ClownPickle]

The one power the Yankees have is money. They should eat the whole contract at this point! It was a earth-shattering mistake to sign him anyway.

If I were Hal, a pre-requisite to eating the money on a deal is I'd make Cashman eat the physical contract. It's only fair.

The symbolism can't be lost.

[ThePinStripes]

If I were Hal, a pre-requisite to eating the money on a deal is I'd make Cashman eat the physical contract. It's only fair.

The symbolism can't be lost.

At the very least, he should rub cashman's nose in it and yell "Bad GM! Bad!"