2021 Mike Tauchman Performance Thread

[Benefactor]

He’s still probably better than Wandy Peralta, and more useful to the Yankees.

He's not even outpacing Bret Gardner....

Gardner 0.2 WAR
Tauchman 0.0 WAR

Gardner 71 OPS+
Tauchman 58 OPS+

Not sure exactly how useful he'd be to the Yankees. just because Peralta isn't any good doesn't make Tauchman look better by default. They're both terrible players.

[False1]

He's not even outpacing Bret Gardner....

Gardner 0.2 WAR
Tauchman 0.0 WAR

Gardner 71 OPS+
Tauchman 58 OPS+

Not sure exactly how useful he'd be to the Yankees. just because Peralta isn't any good doesn't make Tauchman look better by default. They're both terrible players.

If you go by bWAR, this gets flipped to 0.2 WAR for Tauchman, -0.2 WAR for Gardner.

The point isn't individual comparison of 2.5 months of production between these individual players. As you've stated, all of Gardner, Peralta and Tauchman have disappointed so far. My argument is that shoehorning Gardner onto this roster rather than giving Tauchman the opportunity has caused a chain reaction of effects... paying Gardner $4MM guaranteed, acquiring and paying Peralta, dumpster diving on Jay Bruce rather than acquiring a true 1B, tying up $$ that could be strategically deployed in July for a mid-season upgrade, etc etc.

[Yankee Tripper]

If you go by bWAR, this gets flipped to 0.2 WAR for Tauchman, -0.2 WAR for Gardner.

The point isn't individual comparison of 2.5 months of production between these individual players. As you've stated, all of Gardner, Peralta and Tauchman have disappointed so far. My argument is that shoehorning Gardner onto this roster rather than giving Tauchman the opportunity has caused a chain reaction of effects... paying Gardner $4MM guaranteed, acquiring and paying Peralta, dumpster diving on Jay Bruce rather than acquiring a true 1B, tying up $$ that could be strategically deployed in July for a mid-season upgrade, etc etc.

I’d be happier if none of Garder, Tauchman, Peralta were clogging the 40 man

[Benefactor]

If you go by bWAR, this gets flipped to 0.2 WAR for Tauchman, -0.2 WAR for Gardner.

The point isn't individual comparison of 2.5 months of production between these individual players. As you've stated, all of Gardner, Peralta and Tauchman have disappointed so far. My argument is that shoehorning Gardner onto this roster rather than giving Tauchman the opportunity has caused a chain reaction of effects... paying Gardner $4MM guaranteed, acquiring and paying Peralta, dumpster diving on Jay Bruce rather than acquiring a true 1B, tying up $$ that could be strategically deployed in July for a mid-season upgrade, etc etc.

I was using fangraphs for WAR. Is Baseball-reference version of WAR more accurate?

[Yankee Tripper]

I was using fangraphs for WAR. Is Baseball-reference version of WAR more accurate?

Both are umm estimates. They have slightly different formula. I’m not sure one is better than the other. war is a semi subjective stat that is good at assigning relative values of players.

[Benefactor]

Both are umm estimates. They have slightly different formula. I’m not sure one is better than the other. war is a semi subjective stat that is good at assigning relative values of players.

OK, thanks.

[False1]

I was using fangraphs for WAR. Is Baseball-reference version of WAR more accurate?

Like YT said, it’s not that one is better than the other. More just making the point that their relative contributions have been about flat. This was the point all along. That Tauchman would probably contribute as much or more (with upside) and moreover Gardner to date has certainly not provided 7x the value that Tauchman has to justify the payroll differential.

[primetime714]

As I said when this trade happened, I would've rather seen Tauchman bust with the Yankees to the point of DFA status than trade him for a guy like Peralta that really didn't offer any upside and was roster clutter more than anything. At least we would've known that Tauchman just wasn't that good before selling a CF option for a low leverage reliever. And if you think they knew all along he wasn't that good what were they doing carrying him on the roster to start the year and not trading him after that breakout in 2019? The simple fact of the matter is the Yankees traded Tauchman not because they didn't think he was a halfway decent player they traded him because they really liked Wandy Peralta's statcast profile, which is just sad because everyone can see that Wandy is the very definition of mediocre with no clear prospects of becoming the player they think he is. Just another optionable reliever in the pile of clutter.

I'll fully admit I thought Tauchman was a decent or better player and I'll eat crow on falling for the Manfred driven 2019 offensive explosion, but in foresight I stand by this as a bad trade at the time.

[jnewmark]

And now on the 10 day IL.

[Blazer]

And now on the 10 day IL.

A terrible player who is injury prone. Good thing the Yanks got rid of him.

[Blazer]

DFA’ed by the Giants. His MLB career may be over.

[False1]

And yet I would still add him to the roster if it meant undoing Gardner's deal.

[ThePinStripes]

DFA’ed by the Giants. His MLB career may be over.

Cashman should take him back and DFA gardner.