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    #61
    Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

    Pettitte could have won the Cy over Hentgen in 1996.
    I actually thought Mariano Rivera was the best pitcher in the league that year but no way no how were they going to give it to a setup man, even though his 2 innings were an indispensable part of the Yankee formula that year.

    Edit: Just looked it up, he accumulated a 5.0 WAR in 107 innings. Wow. Just to use one example, Bob Gibson in his epic 1968 season with the 1.12 ERA, was at 11.2 WAR ... in 304 innings.
    I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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      #62
      Originally posted by HelloNewman View Post

      I actually thought Mariano Rivera was the best pitcher in the league that year but no way no how were they going to give it to a setup man, even though his 2 innings were an indispensable part of the Yankee formula that year.

      Edit: Just looked it up, he accumulated a 5.0 WAR in 107 innings. Wow. Just to use one example, Bob Gibson in his epic 1968 season with the 1.12 ERA, was at 11.2 WAR ... in 304 innings.
      1968 was the first year they gave out the Cy Young in both leagues. Had there still been just one award it would have been interesting who would have won between Gibson and McLain.

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        #63
        Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

        Pettitte could have won the Cy over Hentgen in 1996.
        Hentgen
        20-10, 3.22 ERA in 265.2 IP, 156 ERA+, 8.6 WAR

        Pettitte
        21-8, 3.87 ERA in 221 IP, 129 ERA+, 5.0 WAR

        If we want to talk about bias, that's actually Yankees bias to make the voting close.
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          #64
          Originally posted by kan_t View Post

          Hentgen
          20-10, 3.22 ERA in 265.2 IP, 156 ERA+, 8.6 WAR

          Pettitte
          21-8, 3.87 ERA in 221 IP, 129 ERA+, 5.0 WAR

          If we want to talk about bias, that's actually Yankees bias to make the voting close.
          More like pennant-contender bias. The talk at the time was that Pettitte had put the Yankee starting staff on his back when Cone went down for most of the season, while Hentgen pitched in a relatively pressure-free environment all season. I think that influenced a lot of voters over to Pettitte.
          I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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            #65
            Originally posted by kan_t View Post

            Hentgen
            20-10, 3.22 ERA in 265.2 IP, 156 ERA+, 8.6 WAR

            Pettitte
            21-8, 3.87 ERA in 221 IP, 129 ERA+, 5.0 WAR

            If we want to talk about bias, that's actually Yankees bias to make the voting close.
            More like pennant-contender bias. The talk at the time was that Pettitte had put the Yankee starting staff on his back when Cone went down for most of the season, while Hentgen pitched in a relatively pressure-free environment all season. I think that influenced a lot of voters over to Pettitte.
            I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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              #66
              Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

              1968 was the first year they gave out the Cy Young in both leagues. Had there still been just one award it would have been interesting who would have won between Gibson and McLain.
              Actually 1967 was the first year. Jim Lonborg won in the AL for his big year with the Impossible Dream Red Sox. In the NL it was, amazingly, Mike McCormick, because a perfect storm happened in the NL. Koufax retired. Drysdale had a meh season. Marichal and Gibson missed time with injuries. Jim Maloney, who'd been an under-the-radar superstar for about 3 years, started to tail off. Seaver and Carlton were just starting out. So McCormick's 22-10 got him the award.
              I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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                #67
                Originally posted by HelloNewman View Post

                Actually 1967 was the first year. Jim Lonborg won in the AL for his big year with the Impossible Dream Red Sox. In the NL it was, amazingly, Mike McCormick, because a perfect storm happened in the NL. Koufax retired. Drysdale had a meh season. Marichal and Gibson missed time with injuries. Jim Maloney, who'd been an under-the-radar superstar for about 3 years, started to tail off. Seaver and Carlton were just starting out. So McCormick's 22-10 got him the award.
                Thanks. I forgot that the 2 awards started in 1967. McCormick really lucked out.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by ymike673 View Post

                  Thanks. I forgot that the 2 awards started in 1967. McCormick really lucked out.
                  Yankees dealt for McCormick in 1970, when he was shot. Gave up a young lefty named John Cumberland who had one good year for the Giants and then fizzled out.
                  I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.

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                    #69
                    We all know that Cole would like to stay. But business is business and the Yankees simply couldn't let him opt out given the situation. It seems a no-brainer for them to void the opt-out by guaranteeing his $36m in 2029.

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                      #70
                      Congratulations Gerrit Cole on getting the 2023 AL Cy Young. Way to go Cole !

                      All aboard! Cole claims 1st Cy Young in unanimous fashion
                      https://www.mlb.com/news/gerrit-cole-wins-2023-american-league-cy-young-award
                      "The Yankee is one who, if he once gets his teeth set on a thing, all creation can't make him let go." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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                        #71
                        Can we put the sticky stuff questions to rest now?

                        Congrats to Cole one of the few bright spots of NYYs 2023 season.
                        Baseball is life;
                        the rest is just details.
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
                          Can we put the sticky stuff questions to rest now?

                          Congrats to Cole one of the few bright spots of NYYs 2023 season.
                          As far as NYYFANS, there was really only one guy who was pushing that stuff hard, and he hasn't posted in almost 8 months.

                          I hid in the clouded wrath of the crowd, when they said "sit down" I stood up.
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