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    Re: Covid-19

    Originally posted by The_Man_With_No_Plan View Post
    Hmm. But then this comes off as if you only care about the United States. I guess if you view the USA as being the center of the universe and the only country where human beings exist, I can start to see your point of view. But I'm of the opinion that a global pandemic affects.... uh... the globe.

    The country basically shut down over the weekend, and people were still out at bars for St. Patrick's Day in NYC. I just don't think that a single person could have a noticeable effect on a situation like this. People are going to do what they're going to do. Unless you want to ban going outside and actually enforce that rule, there's not a whole lot that can be done. And I actually mean that in a somewhat optimistic way. Things like this have happened before and we survived. It seems crazy now, but things get better (even if they get worse before they get better).
    I don't even live in the United States now so, no, I care about more than my home country. But, the President of the United States is responsible for the response to the virus there, and by any measure he has not done a good job. And, you know what? If the U.S. lags in its response, it will affect the rest of the world, because it will inevitably spread outward.

    As for your second point, well... perhaps if he didn't minimize the virus and its impact, people would have taken it more seriously earlier. That would have led to fewer infections and deaths. Look at the way the spread was reduced in South Korea - testing, tracking and care. Here in France, restaurants and non-essential businesses are closed. There is something that can be done.

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      Re: Covid-19

      South Korea has managed to really flatten the curve. Aggressive and sustained testing seems to be the difference maker and the US has failed massively on that front. We have also been too slow to institute closures and event cancellations. Add that to the repeated and still ongoing miscommunications from the government. At least we now know just how poorly prepared we were as a nation to handle a pandemic. It's both appalling and embarrassing.

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        Re: Covid-19

        My tolerance for ignorance and stupidity is zero. These morons who listen to trump and believe all is fine and this is being overblown is why more people will get this. Seeing posts on my Facebook from these fools make me shake my head (and unfollow) for the time being. I can disagree about the scope of government but not this

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          Re: Covid-19

          Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
          This is also worrisome to me. This is a highly contagious virus. Could exist on surfaces up to nine days. And you don’t have to have any symptoms to be a carrier. People may see this and say what is the big deal? (As Trump is) and go out. Then visit their elderly parents or grandparents and they get it
          Oh I was looking at from a pure mathematical standpoint.
          0.5% is still worrisome as thats 5 tome the rate of seasonal flu.
          But 2.5% - 3.5% which was initial estimates is Spanish Flu Pandemic range where 50-100 million people died in a 3 year period, when the world population was much smaller.
          Baseball is life;
          the rest is just details.

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            Re: Covid-19

            Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
            Oh I was looking at from a pure mathematical standpoint.
            0.5% is still worrisome as thats 5 tome the rate of seasonal flu.
            But 2.5% - 3.5% which was initial estimates is Spanish Flu Pandemic range where 50-100 million people died in a 3 year period, when the world population was much smaller.
            I agree that definitely is good news

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              Re: Covid-19

              Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
              https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...FL0cRxXLIbSVVM

              Restaurants, bars, movie theaters, gyms and casinos to close in NY, NJ and CT at 8 pm until further notice. Restaurants can offer take out
              Kudos to these three states for doing their job. The job the federal government should have done

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                Re: Covid-19

                Originally posted by YFIB View Post
                I don't even live in the United States now so, no, I care about more than my home country. But, the President of the United States is responsible for the response to the virus there, and by any measure he has not done a good job. And, you know what? If the U.S. lags in its response, it will affect the rest of the world, because it will inevitably spread outward.

                As for your second point, well... perhaps if he didn't minimize the virus and its impact, people would have taken it more seriously earlier. That would have led to fewer infections and deaths. Look at the way the spread was reduced in South Korea - testing, tracking and care. Here in France, restaurants and non-essential businesses are closed. There is something that can be done.
                I'm going to leave the conversation here because of the thread request to keep politics out of here. But didn't want you think I had just bailed mid conversation.

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                  Re: Covid-19

                  Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
                  Oh I was looking at from a pure mathematical standpoint.
                  0.5% is still worrisome as thats 5 tome the rate of seasonal flu.
                  But 2.5% - 3.5% which was initial estimates is Spanish Flu Pandemic range where 50-100 million people died in a 3 year period, when the world population was much smaller.
                  I wonder, in addition to the total number of people tested and access to care, how much the general societal health and well-being can impact the drastic differences in death rates we're seeing across different countries.

                  Is it higher in countries where a greater % of the population are smokers?

                  Does obesity or heart health factor into it at all as well?
                  Stay "We" my friends

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                    Re: Covid-19

                    NJ is closing.

                    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/...ronavirus.html
                    Sometimes I feel like my sell by date expired yesterday.

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                      Re: Covid-19

                      Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                      I wonder, in addition to the total number of people tested and access to care, how much the general societal health and well-being can impact the drastic differences in death rates we're seeing across different countries.

                      Is it higher in countries where a greater % of the population are smokers?

                      Does obesity or heart health factor into it at all as well?
                      Early on, there was speculation about it being particularly bad in Wuhan because of both smoking and air pollution. But I haven't seen a real analysis on that - it might be hard to do with such inconsistent testing, etc.

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                        Re: Covid-19

                        Here is something to get us through. Watch Buddy Insult Mel:


                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc58c1gCjYU
                        "Jerry, It's Frank Costanza. Mr. Steinbrenner is here. George is dead. Call me back."

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                          Re: Covid-19

                          Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
                          I agree that definitely is good news
                          Studies are obviously still ongoing. The biggest issue in determining the mortality rate is finding the correct estimate for unreported cases for the denominator. That is estimating the number of folks who get it, recover, but are never diagnosed.
                          Baseball is life;
                          the rest is just details.

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                            Re: Covid-19

                            Originally posted by Tyler Durden View Post
                            I wonder, in addition to the total number of people tested and access to care, how much the general societal health and well-being can impact the drastic differences in death rates we're seeing across different countries.

                            Is it higher in countries where a greater % of the population are smokers?

                            Does obesity or heart health factor into it at all as well?
                            It’s hitting Italy hard partly because they are a much older society on average. Median age in Italy is around 47 while its closer to 38 in the US. That definitely has an impact.
                            Baseball is life;
                            the rest is just details.

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                              Re: Covid-19

                              Cuomo has a good presser going. He's stepping it up. Very informed, detail oriented. He also hit the fed gov hard for lack of leadership and advisories for the states.

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                                Re: Covid-19

                                Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
                                On a brighter note it’s looking like the eventual mortality rate may be closer to 0.5%.

                                That said it’s still much higher than that in the 65 and over crowd and higher in ares where healthcare system has been temporarily overwhelmed.
                                Did you see this 0.5% data somewhere? It sounds really low relative ton what we saw in China and seeing in Italy.

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