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    Originally posted by HfxBob View Post
    Last 7 days:

    Highest rate of daily cases Michigan 85 per 100K
    Lowest rate of daily cases Florida 6 per 100K

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html
    Gee can we detect a pattern here? Michigan is cold, people are inside so more infection. Florida’s brutal heat is over so they are outside so less infection. Science is so simple if people understand it. Why do you think in the winter it is worse in the north and in the summer in the south? But some states worse than others depending on vaccination rates and mask mandates. A better comparison is take a week in Michigan in July vs a week in Florida in January, and vice versa. Being inside vs outside is a huge factor. So your example doesn’t mean Florida has done a better job the last week, it simply is a result of the fact the weather is better so they are outdoors and not inside in the AC. And Michigan is now inside so this comparison really means nothing

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      Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post

      Gee can we detect a pattern here? Michigan is cold, people are inside so more infection. Florida’s brutal heat is over so they are outside so less infection. Science is so simple if people understand it. Why do you think in the winter it is worse in the north and in the summer in the south? But some states worse than others depending on vaccination rates and mask mandates. A better comparison is take a week in Michigan in July vs a week in Florida in January, and vice versa. Being inside vs outside is a huge factor. So your example doesn’t mean Florida has done a better job the last week, it simply is a result of the fact the weather is better so they are outdoors and not inside in the AC. And Michigan is now inside so this comparison really means nothing
      Michigan is also below average in vaccination rate, at 54% (national average 59%), which seems a little strange.
      Polite Red Sox fan

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        Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post

        Gee can we detect a pattern here? Michigan is cold, people are inside so more infection. Florida’s brutal heat is over so they are outside so less infection. Science is so simple if people understand it. Why do you think in the winter it is worse in the north and in the summer in the south? But some states worse than others depending on vaccination rates and mask mandates. A better comparison is take a week in Michigan in July vs a week in Florida in January, and vice versa. Being inside vs outside is a huge factor. So your example doesn’t mean Florida has done a better job the last week, it simply is a result of the fact the weather is better so they are outdoors and not inside in the AC. And Michigan is now inside so this comparison really means nothing
        it’s almost like there is a seasonality component to the equation.

        Baseball is life;
        the rest is just details.

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          Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
          it’s almost like there is a seasonality component to the equation.
          Who would have thunk? Lol

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            Originally posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
            it’s almost like there is a seasonality component to the equation.
            It looks like you guys are absolutely correct. Although based on my cursory research, this was not what the science has been saying from the outset, there had been a lot of uncertainty about the seasonal component of COVID. Maybe there should no longer be any uncertainty.
            Polite Red Sox fan

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              Originally posted by HfxBob View Post

              It looks like you guys are absolutely correct. Although based on my cursory research, this was not what the science has been saying from the outset, there had been a lot of uncertainty about the seasonal component of COVID. Maybe there should no longer be any uncertainty.
              We’ve been talking about it for months on the actuarial board so it’s been out for while. The degree to which seasonality effects it is still up for debate but it seems there is some fairly strong seasonal component if you look t graphs of states over time. Different states have different waves at different times that can’t be accounted for with vaccination rates alone.
              Baseball is life;
              the rest is just details.

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                Another great moment in COVID history....

                https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/29/vaccine-mandate-health-care-workers-missouri-blocked-judge-eric-schmitt-lawsuit/8795957002/?fbclid=IwAR3hNOUV_MIR0qlHJk74lB8k3kgVAcHwxG93Rp9abuh2Mv8npRiKyQAmR_A

                A judge blocked the federal government on Monday from mandating COVID-19 vaccinations for health care workers in Missouri and nine other states.

                U.S. District Judge Matthew Schelp in the Eastern District of Missouri wrote in his ruling that regulations handed down by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid earlier this month were issued improperly. The agency did not get approval from Congress to mandate vaccinations for health care workers, Schelp wrote, which he argued was necessary given the mandate's "vast economic and political significance." The rules were also issued without a standard period for public comment, which Schelp said the agency's justification for was not suitable.

                Schelp also labeled the mandate "arbitrary and capricious," arguing that CMS "lacks evidence showing that vaccination status has a direct impact on spreading COVID" in the covered health care facilities; the agency has primarily pointed to data from long-term care facilities in its defense.

                "No one questions that protecting patients and health care workers from contracting COVID is a laudable objective," he wrote. "But the court cannot, in good faith, allow CMS to enact an unprecedented mandate that lacks a 'rational connection between the facts found and the choice made.'"


                My BOLD added. Sheesh.....


                Ok, I know what many of you are thinking. Yep....

                Matthew T. Schelp is a judge on the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri. President Donald Trump (R) nominated Schelp on December 2, 2019. The United States Senate confirmed Schelp on February 12, 2020, by a vote of 72-23.
                "Deep to left! Yastrzemski will not get it! It's a home run! A three-run homer by Bucky Dent! And the Yankees now lead by a score of 3-2!" - New York Yankees announcer Bill White (October 2, 1978)

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                  There really needs to be some consequences for judges who aren't willing to or capable of interpreting factual evidence.

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                    If you haven’t been vaccinated you need to shut up about blaming Biden for the pandemic continuing. If you refuse to wear a mask where it is required, same. YOU are the problem

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                      Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
                      If you haven’t been vaccinated you need to shut up about blaming Biden for the pandemic continuing. If you refuse to wear a mask where it is required, same. YOU are the problem
                      Biden is as much to blame as anyone else. It wasn't Trump's CDC who said that masks could come off when only about 50% of Americans were vaccinated. It wasn't Trump's CDC who invented new definitions for "close contact" for when it happens inside a school building. It wasn't Melania who said that "fresh air smells sweeter without masks." It wasn't Trump who threw a premature victory over COVID party on July 4th.

                      Oh, and btw, omicron is likely at 70%+ for immune evasion. Vaccination alone was never enough and it's really sad that the only thing the Biden administration has done to deal with the pandemic thus far has been to say "please wear masks and get vaccinated" and pretty much nothing else. Even if there was never an anti-vax movement here in America, we'd be in the exact same situation. Do you think that it's only unvaccinated people who are going to restaurants for indoor dining or drinking at bars or throwing maskless gatherings like parties or weddings? Easier to push the blame on people and political enemies for not getting vaccinated rather than have the government itself actually do something helpful, right?

                      For example, Biden has claimed that he supports a vaccine patent waiver so that the many countries around the world who have very little access to the vaccines, like India and South Africa, could make their own. His administration basically done nothing to make that happen.

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                        Positivity rate in Connecticut rose over 5 (5.25) yesterday for the first time in months. And still one of the lowest. Colder weather so next wave in the. Iffy has begun. Get vaccinated or stay far away from me

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                          Originally posted by YankeePride1967 View Post
                          Positivity rate in Connecticut rose over 5 (5.25) yesterday for the first time in months. And still one of the lowest. Colder weather so next wave in the. Iffy has begun. Get vaccinated or stay far away from me
                          My boss is out with covid ( fully vaccinated but sick as a dog ) Now his wife has it but she hasn't been as ill. The rest of us at work have tested negative but I'm amazed it took this long for covid to show up at my workplace.
                          You wanna know what? You gotta problem with Luis Cessa, you gotta problem with me. And I suggest you let that one marinate

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                            Originally posted by fredgmuggs View Post

                            My boss is out with covid ( fully vaccinated but sick as a dog ) Now his wife has it but she hasn't been as ill. The rest of us at work have tested negative but I'm amazed it took this long for covid to show up at my workplace.
                            I am very thankful I am able to work at home full time. What I almost died from in 2016 has almost identical symptoms as covid and needless to say I do all I can to avoid it

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                              Originally posted by trapper700 View Post

                              Biden is as much to blame as anyone else. It wasn't Trump's CDC who said that masks could come off when only about 50% of Americans were vaccinated. It wasn't Trump's CDC who invented new definitions for "close contact" for when it happens inside a school building. It wasn't Melania who said that "fresh air smells sweeter without masks." It wasn't Trump who threw a premature victory over COVID party on July 4th.

                              Oh, and btw, omicron is likely at 70%+ for immune evasion. Vaccination alone was never enough and it's really sad that the only thing the Biden administration has done to deal with the pandemic thus far has been to say "please wear masks and get vaccinated" and pretty much nothing else. Even if there was never an anti-vax movement here in America, we'd be in the exact same situation. Do you think that it's only unvaccinated people who are going to restaurants for indoor dining or drinking at bars or throwing maskless gatherings like parties or weddings? Easier to push the blame on people and political enemies for not getting vaccinated rather than have the government itself actually do something helpful, right?

                              For example, Biden has claimed that he supports a vaccine patent waiver so that the many countries around the world who have very little access to the vaccines, like India and South Africa, could make their own. His administration basically done nothing to make that happen.
                              I think you missed the vaccine mandates, that many Republican governors have fought.

                              Also, the patient waiver wouldn't help in South Africa - the issue there seems to be vaccine hesitancy:
                              JOHANNESBURG, Nov 24 (Reuters) - South Africa has asked Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) and Pfizer (PFE.N) to delay delivery of COVID-19 vaccines because it now has too much stock, health ministry officials said, as vaccine hesitancy slows an inoculation campaign.
                              https://www.reuters.com/world/africa...ow-2021-11-24/

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                                Originally posted by YFIB View Post

                                I think you missed the vaccine mandates, that many Republican governors have fought.

                                Also, the patient waiver wouldn't help in South Africa - the issue there seems to be vaccine hesitancy:


                                https://www.reuters.com/world/africa...ow-2021-11-24/
                                This. I blame Biden insofar as it took him too long to get tough. If Republicans want to blame him they first must stop sabotaging his efforts and stop whining and wear a mask and get vaccinated. Until then I won’t bother hearing or reading anything they have to say

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