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    Originally posted by YFIB View Post

    Tampa's never going to get the same revenue as the Yankees, especially when their TV deals are factored in. Revenue sharing in MLB is nowhere near as broad as it is in other sports.
    And it's not the Yankees fault MLB keeps giving franchises to teams in locales that don't generate revenue.

    I get what you're saying, I understand the need for competitive balance. I do have some gripes about the CBT in particular, this aspect being one of them.

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      Originally posted by False1 View Post
      The Rangers paid the buyout. Rather than exercise the $3MM team option, the Yankees re-sign him for $2MM (with $250k in incentive opportunity) but Joely pockets the $500k from the Rangers and gets a guaranteed $2MM from the Yankees.
      WOW This is why I like this place for years and not their ideas. Somebody knows the answer that is a puzzle. THIS WAS PART OF THE GALLO TRADE... Very good.

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        I can be happy with signing Rizzo instead of trading for Olson. I can even deal with Sanchez behind the plate - but ONLY IF they sign Seager/Correa and acquire a TOR starter and a competent CFer.

        It would be foolish to actually count on Hicks' productivity in 2022, IMO.
        "Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time.'" -- Mickey Mantle

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          Originally posted by sjb23 View Post
          I can be happy with signing Rizzo instead of trading for Olson. I can even deal with Sanchez behind the plate - but ONLY IF they sign Seager/Correa and acquire a TOR starter and a competent CFer.

          It would be foolish to actually count on Hicks' productivity in 2022, IMO.
          They could acquire 8 Mike Trouts and I still would not want my pitchers throwing to Gary Sanchez. Getting rid of him should be the absolute #1 priority of the offseason. By any means possible, just unload. He's not a major league catcher. Period.

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            Originally posted by False1 View Post
            And it's not the Yankees fault MLB keeps giving franchises to teams in locales that don't generate revenue.

            I get what you're saying, I understand the need for competitive balance. I do have some gripes about the CBT in particular, this aspect being one of them.
            Actually, the owners approve the new franchises so they can get $$$$, so it's not like the Yankees aren't involved in that decision-making process.

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              Originally posted by RoyWilliams View Post

              People want these guys from Oakland and Pitt in trades but most people over value what our guys are worth, You know what the cost would be for Olson and Reynolds? The farm system would be depleted and if they did not work out then you're stuck with them and no guys left in the minors.

              Id rather Sign Rizzo and sign Marte then to trade good guys away for Olson and Rey
              Hoarding prospects instead of using them to obtain impact players has worked out horribly during the last 15 years.

              They say the very definition of insanity is...
              "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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                Originally posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post

                Hoarding prospects instead of using them to obtain impact players has worked out horribly during the last 15 years.

                They say the very definition of insanity is...
                At the very least, in our current system, there’s potential for positional logjams- Volpe/Peraza/Cabrera/Sweeney; Pereira/Dunham(?)/Dominguez/Lockridge. At some point, if you don’t move them for need, you end up scrambling for ways to hide them or lose them in Rule V.
                I like the idea of Olson (think I’ve been spelling it wrong) not only for his age and skills, but if we don’t move on him, Boston might. Dalbec can’t field but he makes more sense as a piece Oakland might want than Voit.

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                  Originally posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post

                  Hoarding prospects instead of using them to obtain impact players has worked out horribly during the last 15 years.

                  They say the very definition of insanity is...
                  Hoarding prospects is particularly stupid when the team has horrific player development (and track record of keeping them healthy). What are you going to do with the talent?
                  Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? CASHMAN: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.

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                    Originally posted by RoyWilliams View Post

                    People want these guys from Oakland and Pitt in trades but most people over value what our guys are worth, You know what the cost would be for Olson and Reynolds? The farm system would be depleted and if they did not work out then you're stuck with them and no guys left in the minors.

                    Id rather Sign Rizzo and sign Marte then to trade good guys away for Olson and Rey
                    What do you mean not work out? It’s certainly more uncertain Dominguez and peraza workout than all star major leaguers.

                    id go to the pirates and say Dominguez is in the table

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                      Originally posted by ThePinStripes View Post

                      Hoarding prospects is particularly stupid when the team has horrific player development (and track record of keeping them healthy). What are you going to do with the talent?
                      yeah their developmental track record is abysmal. Maybe what, 5 above average position players since 2001? Sick of prospect hoarding

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                        Yanks interested in Bryan Reynolds, only 26 yrs old. Will cost.

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                          Originally posted by False1 View Post
                          The Rangers agreed in the trade to pay the $500k buyout should the Yankees exercise it. So they are off the hook for that.

                          I'm actually ok with this one. He looked solid after they acquired him, maybe they see something (like with Holmes) that they can work with. Insane groundball rate too. They must feel like they can optimize that type of reliever, and this does seem to be an area where they've had some proven success. A little concerned about his splits given the rules around 3 batter minimum, and he is out of options, but I can live with this if:

                          a) They don't use his deal alone or in aggregate with other moves (*cough* Gardner *cough*) to cry poor and push away from the table on critically needed upgrades elsewhere

                          b) They have the fortitude to cut him if he does prove to be nothing but a LOOGY next year that gets tatoo'd by RHB
                          This is a rational take. As much as my first instinct was to say this is a waste of a roster spot, I think you present a reasonable case for optimism. Interestingly following this post I dived a little more into his pitch mix to see if there are changes or things the Yankees might be looking to capitalize on.

                          So he's Sinker and Changeup primarily with a 4 seamer he mixes in and a very occasional slider. From what I can tell it seems like he mixes his primary 3 pitches for both lefties and righties with the changeup a little more heavily favored for righties, but not dramatically. The slider while rarely uses is exclusively for lefties. He's used this approach for both 2020 and 2021, in 2020 in limited innings he was very effective against both righties and lefites. In 2021 he showed strong loogy tendancies given his numbers against righties were not that good. His changeup however wasn't the culprit, he seemed to get beat on his fastballs (sinker and 4 seamer). I wonder if they'll look to up his changeup usage even more against RHB to make him more useable against them. This would be somewhat similar to the approach they took with Cessa where they made him a slider only pitcher essentially. A changeup might require a fastball for a different look, but a few strategically thrown ones might be enough.

                          With Wandy though is that too many lefty pitchers that feature changeups? Are they different enough of a look? Their splits seem to indicate that Wandy is more split proof, but if the same righty sees both of them (probably unlikely in the same game at least) there could be some comfort or readiness for a meaty changeup.

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                            Originally posted by TexasYank23 View Post

                            What do you mean not work out? It’s certainly more uncertain Dominguez and peraza workout than all star major leaguers.

                            id go to the pirates and say Dominguez is in the table
                            I agree with Williams. The hell with giving up on a Dominguez before he's even had a chance to prove' he's no Mantle. That's crazy thinking, imo. Come on. At least give one or two other + prospects to get this mythical one-year Oakland first baseman--"but no more, Billy Beane." At least consider the not unlikely possibility that Rizzo has at least two to three more years of plus INF defense and positive LH hitting in Yankee Stadium offense--again imo. Why "give away the farm" (or possible future--NO future is guaranteed, for pete's sake, but one has to take one's chances) for a player with one great season? Olson's so far has a career .255-ish avg--roughly the same as our endlessly mediocre Gardner's. No doubt he's better than the latter, but while Rizzo may be on his down-side age-wise, I believe he can consistently hit very well given our RH-powered lineup, esp. in the Stadium. George, who made more than his share of fan-impulsed mistakes, would've gone for Olson on such slim evidence. But this is one (if only) the single instance when Hal should insist on possibly signing a CF like Marte instead of a minor-league-depleting 1B like Olson when you likely have a cheaper Rizzo alternative.

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                              Originally posted by ThePinStripes View Post

                              Hoarding prospects is particularly stupid when the team has horrific player development (and track record of keeping them healthy). What are you going to do with the talent?
                              Well, yes. This is why the prospect hoarding has worked out so horribly in the first place - because they’ve ruined virtually all of their top prospects anyway.

                              Heads should have rolled over what they did to Deivi alone.
                              "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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                                Originally posted by Zimmer's Helmet View Post

                                Well, yes. This is why the prospect hoarding has worked out so horribly in the first place - because they’ve ruined virtually all of their top prospects anyway.

                                Heads should have rolled over what they did to Deivi alone.
                                Not good at scouting
                                When they get a good player, they can't develop him
                                They make poor use of FA money
                                and when players get here they ruin them

                                :lol:

                                What exactly is this front office's strength?
                                Q: Who’s the guy on your roster that would have been overlooked if not for analytics? CASHMAN: Ronald Torreyes. He’s an analytical darling.

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